(01-08-2025, 01:38 PM)NYC4jags Wrote:

(01-08-2025, 11:29 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: Somewhat. It still seems like you believe the roster underperformed. Is that correct?

For me, I think it’s a culture problem and Baalke has been a snake everywhere he went. The same problems that he had in SF are happening here in Jacksonville. Pederson will be his Harbaugh here. Then it’ll be a mess this season most likely because Baalke is still here. Whispering in Shads ear that the coach (who he hired) is the problem once again. Baalke is the one who probably said “Shad. Doug should be calling plays”. Baalke is in his ear telling Shad every single issue and excluding his role in it.

They both should have been fired. End of story. There’s no “well Baalke did good on this one move” or “Pederson did his best with what he had”. 

They are all to blame and should have been shown the door.

The problem with that analysis is that you've simply painted Trent into some evil character without actually providing any substantive proof that any of what you suggest is actually happening. 

Why not just objectively point out his actual mistakes? 

The objective point of view sees around 5 gaping holes in the roster, underperformance from the players, poor gameplans from the offensive staff, a complete and utter cluster [BLEEP] from the defense from the coordinator all the way down to the back-up safety (and free agents acquired to fit the scheme!), lack of player development, inability to get rookie players online quickly, and general inconsistency everywhere on the filed in a league that requires an elite level of consistency to succeed. 

How do you pin that on one guy??

You can't. 

Probably part of the reason Khan is still leaving the door open to make changes in the front office.

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(01-08-2025, 11:29 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: Somewhat. It still seems like you believe the roster underperformed. Is that correct?

For me, I think it’s a culture problem and Baalke has been a snake everywhere he went. The same problems that he had in SF are happening here in Jacksonville. Pederson will be his Harbaugh here. Then it’ll be a mess this season most likely because Baalke is still here. Whispering in Shads ear that the coach (who he hired) is the problem once again. Baalke is the one who probably said “Shad. Doug should be calling plays”. Baalke is in his ear telling Shad every single issue and excluding his role in it.

They both should have been fired. End of story. There’s no “well Baalke did good on this one move” or “Pederson did his best with what he had”. 

They are all to blame and should have been shown the door.

The problem with that analysis is that you've simply painted Trent into some evil character without actually providing any substantive proof that any of what you suggest is actually happening. 

Why not just objectively point out his actual mistakes? 

The objective point of view sees around 5 gaping holes in the roster, underperformance from the players, poor gameplans from the offensive staff, a complete and utter cluster [BLEEP] from the defense from the coordinator all the way down to the back-up safety (and free agents acquired to fit the scheme!), lack of player development, inability to get rookie players online quickly, and general inconsistency everywhere on the filed in a league that requires an elite level of consistency to succeed. 

How do you pin that on one guy??

You can't. 

Probably part of the reason Khan is still leaving the door open to make changes in the front office.

I’m not pinning it all on Baalke.

Doug sucks too. They both suck.

However, do you see the same patterns in SF creeping up in Jacksonville? Disconnect between HC and GM with the GM blaming the HC for all the problems?

The press conference was all Shad and Trent blaming Doug for the entire downfall and taking no accountability. That’s a snake.

I think we all agree that both sides had a hand in this demise. I would pin more of the blame on Baalke than Doug but they both suck and both should be fired (hopefully Trent will be as well).

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