(03-12-2025, 05:19 PM)Jag149 Wrote:

(03-12-2025, 12:42 PM)mikesez Wrote: I mostly agree, actually.  From 10,000 miles away, we can see ways that Israel might be able to behave better, and persuade more of the Arabs to lay down their arms and live in peace, But if I was living there, I probably wouldn't care. When people want to annihilate you, human nature demands that you respond by trying to annihilate them first. 

If there are Arabs living in Israel proper, or in the occupied territories, who genuinely want to peacefully coexist next to or within a Jewish state, I have sympathy for them. A lot of sympathy. I wish they had more control and more influence over the situation. But Hamas and its "river to the sea" ideology must be annihilated.

What is not understood by Americans is the Palestinian children for years have been raised and indoctrinated to radical Islamic principles. This has happened as they have been ruled by Hamas. Egypt took some in and for their trouble they got the Arab spring. Jordon was glad they left. The rest of the Arab world does not want them in their countries or bordering them if possible. I cannot see the Israelis allowing arms into Gaza ever again. It will be hard to get them to return Gaza at all.

This history is also incorrect.

Jordan took in numerous Palestinian refugees.  The most of any country.  Many of them are integrated, many of them are still isolated in separate camps, but they've caused very little trouble in the last 30 years. 

Jordan used to host the PLO and that was a big problem.  The PLO fought the Jordanians.  Then the Jordanian army and police cracked down and the PLO relocated to Lebanon where they started most of the same trouble for a while.  Since the Oslo accords the PLO is now the PLA and it doesn't cause trouble for other Arab states.

Egypt never took in Palestinian refugees. Their "Arab Spring" was led by the Muslim Brotherhood who are an international organization that is older than Israel.  Hamas started as the Palestinian chapter of the Muslim Brotherhood, but the two have little to do with each other now.  After al-Sisi led the coup against the Muslim brotherhood government, Hamas has had to look for other sponsors, and they are now getting almost all their funds from Iran.

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