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Gus needs time - Check the Facts

  • Offline Oklahomie
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10-01-2014, 04:34 PM

Quote:I don't know.

 

Is Belicheck a great coach?

 

Yes, he won Super Bowls (won 2 as a defensive coordinator under Parcells, won 3 as head coach of the Pats and went to two more).

 

But he WAS fired from Cleveland after producing a losing record, and right now his team is struggling? 

 

What about Mike Shanahan?  Lost in Oakland and got fired...won two Super Bowls in Denver with Elway, won nothing after Elway retired, and just got fired from Washington?

 

What about Rich Kotite?  Rich Kotite's record after his first 20 games as head coach was better than Walsh's or Johnson's and had only one loss in his first two seasons of 17 points or more.

 

Is he better than Walsh?  Is the fact that Walsh produced more blowouot losses in his first two seasons as head coach than Kotite determinative of whether he was a lesser coach than Kotite?  If a roster comparison shows disparate talent levels between Kotite's 1991-1992 Eagles teams and Walsh's 1979-1980 49ers teams, can one conclude that Walsh was only as good as his talent and was therefore a run of the mill coach...like Bradley?
 

No.

 

No.

 

No.

 

None of those three are great coaches.

 

They were successful, but it takes more than just having success with elite players to be a great coach.

 

Walsh was great because he was innovative and he developed two hall of fame QBs.

 

Belicheck was just a guy before Brady came in.

 

Shanahan got to coach a team with multiple hall of famers in Denver (Elway, Sharpe, Davis if he doesn't get injured) and a boatload of probowlers, too, and the Jaguars still beat them in the playoffs.
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Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by J-Mizzal - 09-30-2014, 10:06 PM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by Amat3uR - 09-30-2014, 10:35 PM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by J-Mizzal - 09-30-2014, 11:05 PM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by MalabarJag - 10-01-2014, 12:00 AM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by BasshunterX - 10-01-2014, 09:30 AM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by Oklahomie - 10-01-2014, 09:31 AM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by BasshunterX - 10-01-2014, 09:41 AM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by Oklahomie - 10-01-2014, 09:50 AM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by Monty - 10-01-2014, 09:54 AM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by JesseJames - 10-01-2014, 09:58 AM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by Oklahomie - 10-01-2014, 10:11 AM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by StromStorm - 10-01-2014, 10:51 AM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by finwe - 10-01-2014, 10:58 AM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by Oklahomie - 10-01-2014, 10:58 AM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by Etdavis2006 - 10-01-2014, 11:00 AM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by Etdavis2006 - 10-01-2014, 11:02 AM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by StromStorm - 10-01-2014, 11:06 AM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by Caldrac - 10-01-2014, 11:07 AM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by Oklahomie - 10-01-2014, 11:10 AM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by Jagwired - 10-01-2014, 11:17 AM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by Amat3uR - 10-01-2014, 11:34 AM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by Amat3uR - 10-01-2014, 11:36 AM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by Jags437 - 10-01-2014, 11:45 AM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by MalabarJag - 10-01-2014, 01:18 PM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by NacD - 10-01-2014, 01:25 PM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by Etdavis2006 - 10-01-2014, 01:29 PM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by Oklahomie - 10-01-2014, 01:47 PM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by TrueFan - 10-01-2014, 02:03 PM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by Etdavis2006 - 10-01-2014, 02:11 PM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by Oklahomie - 10-01-2014, 02:20 PM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by Etdavis2006 - 10-01-2014, 03:16 PM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by Oklahomie - 10-01-2014, 03:31 PM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by NYC4jags - 10-01-2014, 03:43 PM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by Bullseye - 10-01-2014, 03:48 PM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by Oklahomie - 10-01-2014, 03:49 PM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by Oklahomie - 10-01-2014, 03:51 PM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by Oklahomie - 10-01-2014, 04:06 PM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by Bullseye - 10-01-2014, 04:06 PM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by MalabarJag - 10-01-2014, 04:09 PM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by Oklahomie - 10-01-2014, 04:10 PM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by Caldrac - 10-01-2014, 04:11 PM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by Etdavis2006 - 10-01-2014, 04:13 PM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by Oklahomie - 10-01-2014, 04:13 PM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by Bullseye - 10-01-2014, 04:13 PM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by Oklahomie - 10-01-2014, 04:17 PM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by Caldrac - 10-01-2014, 04:17 PM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by NYC4jags - 10-01-2014, 04:19 PM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by Bullseye - 10-01-2014, 04:25 PM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by Oklahomie - 10-01-2014, 04:34 PM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by Etdavis2006 - 10-01-2014, 05:13 PM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by Oklahomie - 10-01-2014, 05:18 PM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by Oklahomie - 10-01-2014, 05:23 PM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by Etdavis2006 - 10-01-2014, 05:33 PM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by Oklahomie - 10-01-2014, 05:36 PM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by Bullseye - 10-01-2014, 05:38 PM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by Caldrac - 10-01-2014, 05:38 PM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by Jagwired - 10-01-2014, 05:40 PM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by Oklahomie - 10-01-2014, 05:42 PM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by Etdavis2006 - 10-01-2014, 05:44 PM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by Oklahomie - 10-01-2014, 05:47 PM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by Etdavis2006 - 10-01-2014, 05:47 PM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by Etdavis2006 - 10-01-2014, 05:52 PM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by MalabarJag - 10-01-2014, 06:52 PM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by MalabarJag - 10-01-2014, 06:53 PM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by C'MON JAGS - 10-01-2014, 08:16 PM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by dennisp3 - 10-01-2014, 08:56 PM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by MalabarJag - 10-01-2014, 09:51 PM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by jaguarmvp - 10-01-2014, 11:44 PM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by Jags437 - 10-02-2014, 11:45 AM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by Oklahomie - 10-02-2014, 01:07 PM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by Atreas - 10-02-2014, 01:10 PM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by Etdavis2006 - 10-02-2014, 01:38 PM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by Etdavis2006 - 10-02-2014, 01:47 PM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by Jinjo - 10-02-2014, 04:47 PM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by git'er_done - 10-02-2014, 05:12 PM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by Etdavis2006 - 10-02-2014, 07:00 PM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by Mgt1022 - 10-02-2014, 07:14 PM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by Mgt1022 - 10-02-2014, 07:15 PM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by AlphaJag - 10-02-2014, 10:01 PM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by Shardex - 10-02-2014, 10:15 PM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by wrong_box - 10-02-2014, 10:23 PM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by Sneakers - 10-02-2014, 10:30 PM
Gus needs time - Check the Facts - by Scarecrow - 10-02-2014, 11:22 PM
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