Quote:Glennon > Bortles

 

Disagree. 

 

Quote:1.  Glennon is a second year QB, not a rookie like Bortles.

2.  The Tampa OL does not have two rookies starting on it like Jacksonville

3.  Tampa actually has a credible RB in Martin, unlike Jacksonville.

4.  Tampa actually had an established talented experienced WR in Jackson.  Jacksonville only had Ace Sanders as an experienced WR against Pittsburgh.

 

1. I get that. However, 1st year QB can have success more than every in todays NFL with the rules favoring passing. and Glennon isn't even that good. 

 

2. I don't think the Jags OL personnel wise is as bad as everyone here seems to think. 

 

3. Ok, fair point. (So far anyway). Storm will be pretty good tho. 

 

4. I think Jax' WR talent is fine, rookies or not. As a matter of fact I'd easily take Jax' WR corps over TB's. 

 

Quote:But the underlined is precisely why your analysis in this thread is hopelessly premature.

 

Without experienced  & refined NFL caliber talent, how can you determine whether a coach is a good coach or not?

 

By your own words, you acknowledged Kotite (and later Switzer) looked better in their first 20 games as coach than they otherwise should have because they had better than average talent on their rosters.

 

Conversely, Jimmy Johnson did not look good in his first 20 games or so due to a lack of talent.

 

Ditto for Bradley.

 

Now Jimmy Johnson's team DID show improvement from year one to year two-and the first five games in year two specifically.  But the teams JJ beat in those first five games weren't very good, as opposed to the array of very good to elite QBs the Jaguars played in the first five games here.

 

Also keep in mind, in going from year 1 to year 2, Johnson had Aikman going from his rookie year to his second year, a rookie Emmitt Smith, a finally healthy Michael Irvin, Ken Norton Jr, Mark Stepnoski, Nate Newton and Kevin Gogan already on the roster. 

 

Bradley went from Gabbert and Henne his first year, to a rookie Bortles in his second year, with no Emmitt Smith in the backfield at this point, two rookies along the OL (3 counting Joeckel), 3 WRs, etc.

 

Jimmy Johnson took over a team that was very similar in overall roster talent to Bradley. 

 

ALso, some of those players you cite were DEVELOPED BY JOHNSON. He gets CREDIT for that. I think Caldwell has done a decent job in the past 2 drafts. If some of these rookies aren't developing I tend to look at some of Bradley's assistant coaches as failing in their jobs. Could a few just be bad selections by Caldwell? Sure....but I'd doubt that being the majority. Jimmy Johnson for the most part put together a good staff. Yes, he had to tweak it a bit by year 3, but I'd certainly rate his assistants over what Gus put together, for the most part. 

 

You say that Jimmy only beat bad teams in his early success in 1990, but Tampa was 3-1 and 4-2 when his Cowboys beat them twice. 

 

Bottom line is After Jimmy Johnson's 4-22 start (the low point before he started winning consistently), I don't know many coaches that have started out as bad as Bradley (4-17) and recovered to be a successful NFL head coach with the same team. 

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