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Joeckel is garbage


Quote:This is wrong. You draft a LT that high because A player with that skill set doesn't exist past the top of the second round if you are lucky. If he develops into a starter after three years then it was a great pick. Anything above decent play from that is gravy on top. 

 

I think the issue with a lot of people here is the expectations for players. I'm curious to find out who the masses think is the best LT in the league right now. Even that best LT gets beat occasionally. To think a second year player is to not give up sacks and play mistake free is asking to much. 
 

If you're OK picking a player at #2 overall in any draft and calling it success if they can simply start on a team then I don't know what to tell you.

 

Is it an utter failure if they are at least a starter? No... But when you draft someone that high the intent and expectation is Pro-Bowl caliber.  You only get so many high draft picks and you've got to hit on more than you miss, especially in the early rounds.

 

I also think you haven't watched Joeckel enough.  It's not just that he's not perfect, it's that he's not playing well.  As much as Oehser downplays Joeckel's struggles he doesn't portray a fair depiction of his play.  Go rewatch the film and see how many plays you'd consider good versus bad plays by Joeckel. 

 

I will tell you that I was even surprised at how many times he gets rushed over, whiffs or ends up on the ground as he lunges at a guy trying to block and completely misses.  I think most people agree that he may develop in another year or 2, BUT, at this point, you cannot make a case that the arrow is pointing up for him.  He has "youth" and "possibility" going for him but that's it right now.

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Joeckel is garbage - by jagmedic08 - 11-30-2014, 04:09 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by badger - 11-30-2014, 04:12 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by JaguarsAreBeasting - 11-30-2014, 04:14 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by haveaseat - 11-30-2014, 04:15 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by HiggyJ15 - 11-30-2014, 04:34 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by MR FLORIDA - 11-30-2014, 04:38 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by HiggyJ15 - 11-30-2014, 04:38 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by rocdee - 11-30-2014, 04:39 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by Jax Jag - 11-30-2014, 04:40 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by Jerrad - 11-30-2014, 04:40 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by HIGH SCORE - 11-30-2014, 04:40 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by realisticjohn - 11-30-2014, 04:44 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by HiggyJ15 - 11-30-2014, 05:01 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by CSO14 - 11-30-2014, 05:14 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by J-Mizzal - 11-30-2014, 05:15 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by UcfJagsfan - 11-30-2014, 05:16 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by scoobydiesel - 11-30-2014, 05:16 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by Warjag - 11-30-2014, 05:17 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by JaguarScience95 - 11-30-2014, 05:17 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by JagsFanClubOfMD - 11-30-2014, 05:25 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by MR FLORIDA - 11-30-2014, 05:26 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by HiggyJ15 - 11-30-2014, 05:28 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by lastonealive - 11-30-2014, 05:29 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by Warjag - 11-30-2014, 06:44 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by SuperJville - 11-30-2014, 06:47 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by The_Anchorman - 11-30-2014, 06:49 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by Jerrad - 11-30-2014, 06:50 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by jaguarmvp - 11-30-2014, 06:52 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by jaglyn - 11-30-2014, 06:52 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by Warjag - 11-30-2014, 06:55 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by SuperJville - 11-30-2014, 06:57 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by paulyman29 - 11-30-2014, 06:57 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by JaguarJosh05 - 11-30-2014, 06:58 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by paulyman29 - 11-30-2014, 07:02 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by JAGFAN88 - 11-30-2014, 07:05 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by muddylips - 11-30-2014, 07:08 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by SuperJville - 11-30-2014, 07:08 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by Jaguarforlife - 11-30-2014, 07:08 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by Banatha - 11-30-2014, 07:09 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by pirkster - 11-30-2014, 08:06 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by StroudCrowd1 - 11-30-2014, 08:10 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by paulyman29 - 11-30-2014, 09:40 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by StroudCrowd1 - 11-30-2014, 09:44 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by C'MON JAGS - 11-30-2014, 09:49 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by Amat3uR - 11-30-2014, 09:49 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by JaguarScience95 - 11-30-2014, 10:06 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by flgatorsandjags - 11-30-2014, 10:19 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by fredalwaysajag - 11-30-2014, 10:21 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by CSO14 - 11-30-2014, 10:24 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by pcjagfan1146 - 11-30-2014, 10:24 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by JaguarScience95 - 11-30-2014, 10:26 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by CSO14 - 11-30-2014, 10:38 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by StroudCrowd1 - 11-30-2014, 10:45 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by DavidzPimpSuit - 11-30-2014, 10:49 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by C'MON JAGS - 11-30-2014, 10:50 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by JaxxnateNH - 11-30-2014, 11:17 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by Tommy - 11-30-2014, 11:41 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by SuperJville - 11-30-2014, 11:45 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by Achilles - 11-30-2014, 11:49 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by SuperJville - 11-30-2014, 11:51 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by CowJag - 12-01-2014, 12:09 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by MalabarJag - 12-01-2014, 12:25 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by Thundersnow - 12-01-2014, 12:27 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by temporaryname - 12-01-2014, 12:32 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by StroudCrowd1 - 12-01-2014, 12:34 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by MalabarJag - 12-01-2014, 12:42 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by scoobydiesel - 12-01-2014, 12:47 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by Tommy - 12-01-2014, 12:48 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by JagsFanClubOfMD - 12-01-2014, 12:58 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by MalabarJag - 12-01-2014, 12:59 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by Warjag - 12-01-2014, 01:12 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by P. Haze - 12-01-2014, 01:29 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by Jest101 - 12-01-2014, 02:17 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by Banatha - 12-01-2014, 08:50 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by Bullseye - 12-01-2014, 08:58 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by MarleyJag - 12-01-2014, 08:59 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by SuperJville - 12-01-2014, 09:03 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by The Real Marty - 12-01-2014, 09:08 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by Xenochrony - 12-01-2014, 09:39 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by muddylips - 12-01-2014, 09:46 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by flsprtsgod - 12-01-2014, 09:50 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by Achilles - 12-01-2014, 09:56 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by Cleatwood - 12-01-2014, 09:57 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by thunderbuns - 12-01-2014, 10:01 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by muddylips - 12-01-2014, 10:07 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by Achilles - 12-01-2014, 10:08 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by tkappa511 - 12-01-2014, 10:15 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by Shack Del Rio - 12-01-2014, 10:18 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by Jay Carter 904 - 12-01-2014, 10:25 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by SuperJville - 12-01-2014, 10:33 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by Bullseye - 12-01-2014, 10:45 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by Shack Del Rio - 12-01-2014, 10:53 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by SuperJville - 12-01-2014, 10:55 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by Bullseye - 12-01-2014, 10:55 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by badger - 12-01-2014, 10:56 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by B2hibry - 12-01-2014, 10:58 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by SuperJville - 12-01-2014, 10:59 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by SuperJville - 12-01-2014, 11:01 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by oface5446 - 12-01-2014, 11:01 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by knarnn - 12-01-2014, 11:08 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by SuperJville - 12-01-2014, 11:13 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by knarnn - 12-01-2014, 11:14 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by flsprtsgod - 12-01-2014, 11:14 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by SuperJville - 12-01-2014, 11:17 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by MalabarJag - 12-01-2014, 11:22 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by Banatha - 12-01-2014, 11:22 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by MalabarJag - 12-01-2014, 11:25 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by B2hibry - 12-01-2014, 11:26 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by flsprtsgod - 12-01-2014, 11:28 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by StroudCrowd1 - 12-01-2014, 11:29 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by SuperJville - 12-01-2014, 11:31 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by SpeedyG - 12-01-2014, 11:34 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by oface5446 - 12-01-2014, 11:34 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by B2hibry - 12-01-2014, 11:39 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by B2hibry - 12-01-2014, 11:41 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by SuperJville - 12-01-2014, 11:41 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by SuperJville - 12-01-2014, 11:41 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by SuperJville - 12-01-2014, 11:42 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by SuperJville - 12-01-2014, 11:43 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by MalabarJag - 12-01-2014, 11:45 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by FBT - 12-01-2014, 11:47 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by Jest101 - 12-01-2014, 11:47 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by oface5446 - 12-01-2014, 11:47 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by Jest101 - 12-01-2014, 11:49 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by B2hibry - 12-01-2014, 11:51 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by B2hibry - 12-01-2014, 11:55 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by Jest101 - 12-01-2014, 11:57 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by FBT - 12-01-2014, 11:58 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by JVRx21 - 12-01-2014, 11:59 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by Jest101 - 12-01-2014, 12:00 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by MalabarJag - 12-01-2014, 12:01 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by FBT - 12-01-2014, 12:02 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by Jest101 - 12-01-2014, 12:04 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by FBT - 12-01-2014, 12:04 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by SuperJville - 12-01-2014, 12:04 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by Jest101 - 12-01-2014, 12:06 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by JVRx21 - 12-01-2014, 12:06 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by SuperJville - 12-01-2014, 12:07 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by JVRx21 - 12-01-2014, 12:07 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by FBT - 12-01-2014, 12:08 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by Jest101 - 12-01-2014, 12:08 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by NYC4jags - 12-01-2014, 12:09 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by JVRx21 - 12-01-2014, 12:10 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by Raven09s - 12-01-2014, 12:12 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by SuperJville - 12-01-2014, 12:12 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by SuperJville - 12-01-2014, 12:13 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by B2hibry - 12-01-2014, 12:13 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by Jest101 - 12-01-2014, 12:13 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by B2hibry - 12-01-2014, 12:15 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by Jest101 - 12-01-2014, 12:18 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by FBT - 12-01-2014, 12:22 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by FBT - 12-01-2014, 12:24 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by B2hibry - 12-01-2014, 12:26 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by StroudCrowd1 - 12-01-2014, 12:27 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by Jest101 - 12-01-2014, 12:30 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by FBT - 12-01-2014, 12:30 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by Bullseye - 12-01-2014, 12:31 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by SuperJville - 12-01-2014, 12:32 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by Jest101 - 12-01-2014, 12:33 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by FBT - 12-01-2014, 12:34 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by Jest101 - 12-01-2014, 12:34 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by StroudCrowd1 - 12-01-2014, 12:35 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by SuperJville - 12-01-2014, 12:36 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by Jest101 - 12-01-2014, 12:36 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by SuperJville - 12-01-2014, 12:37 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by JAGFAN88 - 12-01-2014, 12:38 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by FBT - 12-01-2014, 12:38 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by Bullseye - 12-01-2014, 12:39 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by FBT - 12-01-2014, 12:39 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by FBT - 12-01-2014, 12:40 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by B2hibry - 12-01-2014, 12:40 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by jackinblack - 12-01-2014, 12:42 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by StroudCrowd1 - 12-01-2014, 12:43 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by Bullseye - 12-01-2014, 12:45 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by Jest101 - 12-01-2014, 12:47 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by Bullseye - 12-01-2014, 12:48 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by FBT - 12-01-2014, 12:52 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by SuperJville - 12-01-2014, 12:59 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by Jest101 - 12-01-2014, 01:01 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by Bullseye - 12-01-2014, 01:04 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by SuperJville - 12-01-2014, 01:07 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by Bullseye - 12-01-2014, 01:13 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by jackinblack - 12-01-2014, 01:20 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by Chuckd - 12-01-2014, 01:21 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by SuperJville - 12-01-2014, 01:21 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by David4499 - 12-01-2014, 01:28 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by jackinblack - 12-01-2014, 01:30 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by jackinblack - 12-01-2014, 01:33 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by Bullseye - 12-01-2014, 01:37 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by David4499 - 12-01-2014, 02:59 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by trunt87 - 12-01-2014, 03:00 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by jackinblack - 12-01-2014, 03:14 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by WingerDinger - 12-01-2014, 03:18 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by Senor Fantastico - 12-01-2014, 03:28 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by Bullseye - 12-01-2014, 03:29 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by Dejuan Eberhardt - 12-01-2014, 03:44 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by WingerDinger - 12-01-2014, 03:46 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by SuperJville - 12-01-2014, 03:51 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by Markulous - 12-01-2014, 03:55 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by jaguarmvp - 12-01-2014, 04:03 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by SuperJville - 12-01-2014, 04:04 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by Dejuan Eberhardt - 12-01-2014, 04:09 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by NYC4jags - 12-01-2014, 04:09 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by SpeedyG - 12-01-2014, 04:12 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by Monty - 12-01-2014, 04:12 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by jagforlife85 - 12-01-2014, 04:12 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by WingerDinger - 12-01-2014, 04:58 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by SuperJville - 12-01-2014, 04:59 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by WingerDinger - 12-01-2014, 05:05 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by jaguarmvp - 12-01-2014, 05:33 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by B2hibry - 12-01-2014, 05:41 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by Jest101 - 12-01-2014, 05:43 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by JagNGeorgia - 12-02-2014, 09:03 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by FgallosJAGS - 12-02-2014, 09:18 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by pirkster - 12-02-2014, 09:22 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by Solid Snake - 12-02-2014, 09:27 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by The_Anchorman - 12-02-2014, 10:08 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by JagNGeorgia - 12-02-2014, 10:34 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by Banatha - 12-03-2014, 05:34 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by The Real Marty - 12-03-2014, 07:17 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by thunderbuns - 12-03-2014, 07:20 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by The_Anchorman - 12-03-2014, 08:18 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by P. Haze - 12-03-2014, 10:48 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by JaguarsAreBeasting - 12-03-2014, 11:09 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by Xenochrony - 12-03-2014, 11:32 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by thunderbuns - 12-03-2014, 11:42 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by Jest101 - 12-03-2014, 11:54 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by MalabarJag - 12-03-2014, 12:23 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by WingerDinger - 12-03-2014, 01:39 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by Xenochrony - 12-03-2014, 02:04 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by dobie - 12-03-2014, 03:41 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by Etdavis2006 - 12-03-2014, 03:53 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by Etdavis2006 - 12-03-2014, 04:00 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by Jest101 - 12-03-2014, 05:02 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by Cleatwood - 12-03-2014, 05:28 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by badger - 12-03-2014, 05:35 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by badger - 12-03-2014, 05:36 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by badger - 12-03-2014, 05:36 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by badger - 12-03-2014, 05:37 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by MarleyJag - 12-03-2014, 07:16 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by SpeedyG - 12-04-2014, 11:40 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by badger - 12-04-2014, 11:49 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by SpeedyG - 12-04-2014, 11:55 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by Jason Mathews - 12-04-2014, 12:56 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by TJBender - 12-04-2014, 01:42 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by flsprtsgod - 12-04-2014, 02:54 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by badger - 12-04-2014, 04:29 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by haveaseat - 12-16-2014, 02:59 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by paulyman29 - 12-16-2014, 03:57 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by Jerrad - 12-16-2014, 08:44 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by rocdee - 12-16-2014, 09:03 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by David4499 - 12-16-2014, 09:11 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by badger - 12-16-2014, 10:15 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by Raven09s - 12-16-2014, 10:37 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by Markulous - 12-16-2014, 11:23 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by Eye of the Storm - 12-16-2014, 11:32 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by MalabarJag - 12-16-2014, 12:08 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by MalabarJag - 12-16-2014, 12:14 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by Banatha - 12-16-2014, 03:04 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by Markulous - 12-16-2014, 03:10 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by Shack Del Rio - 12-16-2014, 03:17 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by Banatha - 12-16-2014, 03:23 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by badger - 12-16-2014, 03:27 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by Markulous - 12-16-2014, 03:27 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by MalabarJag - 12-16-2014, 08:48 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by SuperJville - 12-16-2014, 08:58 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by JagFanP - 12-16-2014, 09:29 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by ji536994 - 12-16-2014, 09:53 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by D6 - 12-16-2014, 10:05 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by TJBender - 12-16-2014, 11:09 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by MalabarJag - 12-16-2014, 11:50 PM
Joeckel is garbage - by D6 - 12-17-2014, 12:08 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by Warjag - 12-17-2014, 12:11 AM
Joeckel is garbage - by Eye of the Storm - 12-17-2014, 12:27 AM



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