Quote:The officers didnt even try to restrain his hands to put the cuffs on him. 

 

At what point are you referring? The first thing they did is reach for his hands (multiple times). He refused and the pulled him down with the modified chokehold. He continues to resist as 4 officers are trying to gain control over him.

 

Quote:That's not how it works. The Grand Jury is controlled by the DA, they see only as much or as little as he decides they should see.

 

And if Wilson doesn't take the stand at least the jury can draw whatever conclusions it wishes.

 

I'm just saying there seems to be unanswered questions. Did Wilson look assaulted based on those photos? Was there conflicting testimony? Will we ever know what the heck happened?

 

All we have are Wilson's (self-serving and lawyered-up) statement. It's a shame. He certainly may have still walked after a trial; certainly seemed to have a good chance.

 

For the New York case - the City will have to pay millions to settle the civil case.

 

I know how it works. 

 

I've spoken to more than I can remember. 

 

My point here is that the DA (the prosecutor) showed them the facts that they had available to them. They showed the same evidence that they would use in trial. The ONLY difference would have been the Officers defense attorney would have been able to potentially eliminate some of the evidence and discredit others. It doesn't allow for a ... more thorough case ... not in regards to cases of this magnitude where the evidence is presented. In fact, Grand Jury has an opportunity to ask questions immediately and there's an open dialogue with the presenting Officer / attorney. It's incredibly easy to find PC during Grand Jury. If they couldn't find PC, then they do not have enough to to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. Unless I'm misunderstanding you, I don't see any reason why a they should have continued forward.

 

They had more than his statement. Where did you get that from?

 

NYPD will pay out for no other reason than a deviation of policy resulting in a death.

 

Quote:The paramedic checked his pulse and that was it from what I read.  They left him lying on the ground.  At one point the cop who put the choke hold on waved at a camera as the man lay on the side walk.  Seems like more should have been done if he is laying there not responding.  

 

Yeah, that wasn't the smartest move, and it doesn't really help his point-of-view. I agree. They should have attempted something, but they aren't legally obligated to render first aid.

 

Quote:I can't speak to your questions with certainty, but the coroner did :

 

 

So the chokehold AND the compression of his chest were deemed lethal. 

So his resistance contributed in part momentarily - but can't we argue that when he is repeatedly pleading for air - he is no longer resisting, but simply struggling to breathe? 

 

Undoubtedly. There's no question that the chokehold and weight of people on his back factored into his death. The chokehold lasted around 6-8 seconds I think? It appeared as though the Officer even released the chokehold before he said that he couldn't breath. I'm guessing because that's all I can do here, but I suspect that heart diseased and asthma played a bigger role in his death than the momentary loss of breath that may have been caused by the Officer. 

 

I've personally seen people using this same line as they resisted arrested. Criminals, especially those with similar backgrounds to Garner, will often use it regain control of the situation and put it in their favor. The Officers can't simply stop what they're doing because someone throws out that line. It shouldn't be disregarded, either. If anything the Officers did contributed to his death, I think it was the weight on his back, and I believe that had he simply put both hands behinds his back, then nothing would've happened. 

 

I think there were injuries caused by the Officers actions which resulted from Garner's resistance. Did the coroner report say the chokehold stopped his breathing?

 

Quote:Im confused.

 

Was he supposed to die in silence. Once he stated he couldnt breathe, the officers didnt reposition themselves enough to allow the guy to get a grasp of air. 

 

What should they have done? He's already proven that he didn't intend on going back to jail. Allow him to get up? Stop all efforts to control him? What is YOUR solution to this?

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