Quote:1. "we could argue all day but i think rw is clearly a notch above." - I'm not sure how you came to this conclusion based on our discussion above and the statistics that evidence otherwise.

 

2. Turnovers- Yes, Andrew Luck had more turnovers, but he did throw it more. His INT percentage was nearly identical to RW, but he did have more fumbles, which was an issue for him this year.

 

Imagine if Bortles had an amazing college career and was thought of as an elite prospect, (the hype begins). Then he is drafted by the Jaguars, who just completely re-hauled their roster, letting their top players leave (Manning, Clark, Addai, Freeney, Brackett, etc..) and starting over with players that were recently drafted, including rookie TEs, RBs and Receivers. You would expect a lot of growing pains, instead, Bortles leads the Jaguars to the playoffs as a rookie, despite poor O-line play, poor defensive play, playing with rookies, and dealing with being a rookie himself. The next year he wins his first playoff game and the year after he makes it to the AFCCG, all along setting records for most yards thrown as a rookie, most yards thrown in a single game by a rookie, most consecutive 300-yard games, leading the league in TDS, etc....  Bortles achieves all of this and people still say "He's over-hyped" or "He's just above average" or my favorite "he's not as good as Rodgers, Manning, or Brady" (they are in discussion for best ever). Luck is special. In time, it will become vastly evident.