Quote:So what should the requirements be for seceding from the union?  


A 50.01% vote?  That'd suck for the people who didn't want to secede.  51%?  That'd still be nearly half that didn't want to secede.  Even if it's 60/40 that's 40% of the population that would be upset about changing their country by the process of voting.  

 

"Well if they don't like it, they can move!"  That's actually great advice for those in favor of secession.  Don't like it?  You're also free to secede.

Alternately the suggestion might be that only those who voted to secede would have seceded.  With promises like: "If you like your country, you can keep your country"

 

There's a process but it's way more complicated than an up or down yes or no vote. It's not something to be taken lightly but like everything else in the world, there's a time and season.

 

Quote:I didn't say that, I said there was a range of punishments. Why do you always try to change my arguments? And if you want to dissolve your relationship, the way to do that is to renounce your citizenship and leave, the government rarely stops people from doing that.

 

We are an indissoluble Union of Free States, but since 1865 your question has been answered and Federalism lost. That means you don't get to pick and choose what you do or don't participate in, though it appears that the Feds under this group will pick and choose what they enforce. That doesn't mean that the next Admin won't change their position and start enforcement, and there's nothing anyone can do about it. We're through the Looking Glass and the Federal Government trumps all.

 

You said to execution, I'm not changing your argument I'm trying to grasp the reality you really believe people discussing the possibility of dissolving ties with a government should be punished up to execution. 

 

The notion the Federal Government trumps all is being challenged at every turn, if you can't see that I don't know what to tell you. The reality is the Federal Government DOES NOT trump all, they never have constitutionally. They've attempted to set those precedents but it's being challenged and over turned left and right. 

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