Quote:So you're saying the cops shouldn't try to give people a reason to actually trust them?  Because hey!  As long as you surrender, you (probably) won't be shot!  (you might mysteriously die in a van though)

 

 

That's not what I'm saying at all, but go ahead and pretend I did if you think it makes your argument stronger.


Again, I ask you how many of these deaths occurred "mysteriously" in a van after a peaceful surrender as opposed to being shot dead on the street or in the van after a confrontation with the police? Right or wrong, the police have the upper hand in an arrest situation, and the chances of dying at the hands of cop go up exponentially when you decide to fight with one or run from one.

Quote:No, but it does mean that arrest records are pretty meaningless in the long of it.   Being arrested does NOT  make you a criminal.

But that's not what you were responding to. He asked you for the numbers to back up your statement and you replied that everyone is innocent until proven guilty....

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