Quote:For the sake of discussion I try and limit the topic to guns, should people own tanks, jets, bombs, and laser guided missiles gets off into fantasy land pretty quick. The problem with gun control or what is often called gun control is the intent. The very politicians that support it have come out and openly stated they DO wish to eventually see an outright confiscation and elimination of private ownership.

 

I'm open to a discussion but the discussion is always one of the following:

 

1. Close the gun show loophole

2. Ban Assault Weapons (Now called military weapons)

3. More Background checks

4. All weapons should be registered

 

Here's the counter to each of them,

 

1.) The "gun show loophole" isn't a loophole it's a transaction between private individuals. For example if I purchase a gun I have to submit to a background check performed by the ATF when I buy this new gun from the gun store. Now I own this gun, if I'm going to sell it to my neighbor it's unlawful for him to purchase the gun if he is a felon or is legally prohibited from owning a firearm. However there is absolutely no reasonable way for me to verify this so it's not illegal for me to sell him that gun if I don't know. At a gun show it's a trade show, those are private individuals who have already passed the background check to own those guns, it's not companies selling new guns. They in turn are selling the guns to other private owners in good faith that they are legally able to own a firearm. So there's no loophole it's just a transaction between private individuals.

 

That's still a loophole. They are are merchants that pay a fee. You may see them as individuals and some may be but plenty of them are merchants and are utilizing a loophole. And even if it wasn't that's still a problem. Can't criminals just roll up in there and buy whatever they want? That seems like something lawful gun owners should be concerned about


 

2.) Assault weapons are already banned, unless you pay for a very expensive license that requires you to allow federal inspections from the ATF unannounced called an FFL3. The standard AR15 that looks like the "Military" grade weapon is a semi-automatic meaning one trigger pull one bullet fired. Now there is literally no difference between your standard civilian AR15 and the normal hunting rifle other than it looks fancy and holds a bigger magazine. So to ban what is called an Assault weapon is really an attempt to ban all magazine feed rifles (90%) of them. You'd be left with single loaded bolt action rifles.

Agreed, but bolt action is fun  :thumbsup: 

3.) The Background check is performed by the ATF already it takes 3 days from the date of the background to take ownership of a handgun. I'm not sure how much more of a background check can be performed?

I know nothing about background check nor how extensive they are.

4.) Registration - making a list of all the people that own firearms and which firearms they own is such a colossally bad idea I could write 100 pages on it. I'll sum it up with a simple reality, it has ALWAYS lead to confiscation.

Is this any different to have a license to own a gun? The only difference is it shows were all legally purchased guns are... I can see concerns with this though let's be honest, the NSA already knows every gun you own buddy. But that's a topic for another thread. 

But I'm open to what new ideas for gun control I've missed, or what ideas for gun control that we are not already implementing should be implemented. Keep in mind you can write all the laws you want doesn't mean the criminals are going to disarm.

Response above in blue.

 

I don't have the answers nor do I claim to. Maybe it's not as a big of a deal for either side? Maybe there is enough control and maybe there is not? My only argument was that to have no restriction on weapons is just plain silly in a modern society. Limiting type of weapons available to the general public just seems reasonable to me. 

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