Quote:A mother of someone who gets shot and killed complains and suddenly it's whining? I'd want the shooting death of my child investigated properly too, regardless of whether he was being a "thug".

 

 

Everyone knows he didn't get shot because he's a thug. He was a thug, robbed a store with a weapon, and was shot in the process. You're misrepresenting of the situation is sad.

 

 

Quote:Being an armed convict does not supersede a person's right to life. Nor does it mean that the case can or should be closed without proper investigation.

 

The situation would be different if the store clerk was the one doing the shooting since he would actively be defending his own life, but reading the (woefully inadequate) story it was a bystander who wasn't being directly threatened who opened fire.

 

 

Actually, yes, it does. My right to safety from great bodily harm supersedes your right to rob a convenience store. No one is asking for an improper investigation.

 

Your argument that no one is "directly threatened" is irrelevant since several subjects were already threatened. If a subject presents a means and capability to cause great bodily harm to someone (robbing a store with a weapon) and attempts to flee, then one has the legal right / authority to end the situation with equal force. The court system has already decided that if ANYONE (Officer or otherwise) suspects that the fleeing felon has the ability and can actually cause harm to another, then they're justified in shooting that person.

 

 

Quote:Exactly, unfortunately stand your ground laws means shooting someone in the back is completely legal as long as they're "acting threatingly".

 

 

This isn't about the Stand Your Ground Law. Not that it matters to you, but the murder rate in Florida has dropped 36% since the onset of the SYG law--more than double the national average.

 

 

Quote:Even your right to bear arms? Because last I checked people who think like you were vehemently opposed to background checks for firearms.

 

I've mention this before; right are inalienable. A person's actions, no matter how horrendous, can not result in them losing their rights.

 

 

Most gun owners I know fully support background checks. They don't support the government's attempt to make it more difficult by increasing wait times, fees, any other pointless efforts to prohibit the lawful carry of firearms. The government had been proven to be ineffective in background checks. For example, approx. 10% of those denied firearm carrying licenses were incorrectly denied. Approx. 20% of those that were denied and appealed were then given a license to carry. 

 

Again with the "rights"... He doesn't have the right to threaten the lives of others. Despite you opinion, the law says this man was justified in shooting those criminals. 

 

 

Quote:I knew Chicago was going to show up somewhere in this thread. The reason gun control doesn't work in Chicago is because there is very little gun control in the surrounding areas. Gun control doesn't help if you can drive 30 minutes and still get a perfectly legal gun. It's kind of like attempting to reduce the smell in a public toilet by saying people can no longer poop in the middle stall, the stench is going to come in from the other stalls.

 

A better comparison would be the US vs Europe, and the US ranks worse in almost every major crime statistic, especially gun violence.

 

 

You couldn't be more wrong. 

 

Your argument doesn't address an increased use of weapons to commit murders. 

 

Having actual experience in this conversation, I've never arrested anyone that was lawfully carrying a firearm (if they used or attempted to use a firearm). Never. Obviously, it happens but its so rare that it's almost meaningless. On a side note, I work in one of the more dangerous areas in Georgia. The only reason the murder rate isn't in line with European countries is because of gang-on-gang violence. Your "average" person isn't at the same risk as members affiliated with criminal gangs.

 

As for your other claim, the US is lower than or equal to many European countries in robberies, kidnapping, rapes, other "major crimes". In fact the US has a lower murder rate than a lot of European countries. I think it's interesting that you say gun violence. While gun violence is higher here, the murder rate is lower. 

 

If you avoid cities like Chicago, St. Luis, Oakland, bla bla bla... then you're as safe here as anywhere in Europe. 

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