Quote:Are you trying to purposely leave out the main point of my post?  Taxation with representation.  So I clearly have stated that it's a democratic (or at least on paper it is) process to determine taxation levels and what is and is not taxed.  Something that has been codified in our Constitution.

 

Of course, now a days, taxation loopholes are provided to the upper half.  

 

I have no problem with the legislative process.  Not sure where you got that whole thing from.  To me, it's clear that supply side economics is a joke.  Demand drives the economy, not supply.

 

You may not like a progressive tax, but it keeps the economy going.  

 

Also, the fairness discussion was based on drug testing poor welfare reciepients.

 

In terms of taxes, I think a different discussion occurs.  Obviously nobody likes taxes.  A progressive tax system, may not necessarily be "Fair" to the rich.  A flat tax would not be "fair" to the poor.

 

But the point is that taxes are necessary.  Unless you can prove to me that we can maintain this nation without them.  Let me know if that's possible.  

 

I'm not leaving out anything.  I am simply pointing out that simply saying that the Founding fathers believed in representative democracy doesn't inherently mean that they agree with every moon beam idea that the modern progressives cook up just because they slide it through congress, and more importantly it most certainly doesn't mean that I or any other citizen have to just shut up and take whatever the Federal Government gives us.  The right to free speech and the right to assemble are also codified in the constitution, and frankly the assertion that representative government ipso facto means that the founding fathers would support a progressive income tax is the kind of lazy inductive logic that has become too common in this country.  

 

And if you don't believe that supply is the driver of economics go down to your local hospital and ask them to speak to the ten heart surgeons that are sitting around doing nothing and will replace a valve for you on the cheap or go down to your local car dealership and ask them for the car that gets 200 miles to the gallon.  The existence of a good or service then creates demand based on its value.  Over time, the best way to decrease cost and increase the quality of life for everyone is to increase the supply of available resources.  the modern idea that the best way to lower costs and increase standard of living is through thousand page bills in congress is a symptom of the public education system.  

 

By the way, i'm still looking for the quotes and links to show that the progressive income tax is the driver of economic development and there would be no hope for our nations survival without it.  Never mind that the most consistently performing states economically don't have an income tax becomes irrelevant when it doesn't git your world view huh?

 

And i still have yet to see where someone explains to me that if everyone pays 19 cents of every dollar that its unfair to anyone.  This is the definition of fairness in the modern world.  It's not fair to treat everyone equally, you have to use the force of government to hurt people "i don't like" for me to feel safe.  

 

It still amazes me how people still have faith in this almighty benevolent state when in reality all these hollier than though smartest people in the room types take 7 years for a veteran in a veterans hospital to see a doctor, can't keep our troops in stock with toilet paper and sit around and literally joke about "shovel ready" and "you can keep your doctor?" 

 

Are there really so many people around this country so low on self esteem and completely devoid of self confidence that they want to believe so bad in uncle SAMta clause that they will just bury their heads in the sand?

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