Quote:My take on The Real Marty's post is that it doesn't matter.  To us, there is no difference between the two things.  Say time was just another dimension.  That means time is part of a matter and that there is no "before" or "after" because time exists at all at once. We will never see the world from that perspective.  We don't even see 3 dimensions, we just figure out the third one exists.  Predetermined is the same thing as "free will".   If you thought about something, is this really "free will"?  Or should you really be thinking about where that thought came from?