Quote:Ugh i guess neither of us can prove the other wrong. I have a job because I chose to go to work that's my line of thought not because destiny predetermined I was going to work. If that's the case why do we even try to better ourselves it's all set in stone who wins and who loses.

 

It is also set in stone that we will try to better ourselves.   Because...?   And if you can answer that "because" then there is a reason for it, and if there is a reason for it, then it is not free will that drives it.  It is destiny.  It is driven by prior events: your birth, your upbringing, your experiences, etc, all physical events  that happened in the past that caused your decision to better yourself. 

 

I know it's hard to accept this concept that all our actions are predetermined.   We all want to think we have freedom of action.   But in reality, there is a reason for everything we do.   And if there is a reason for everything we do, then all our actions are determined by prior events.  And if every action is determined by prior events, then we can trace all our actions back to the big bang, and that is when all our actions, what we think of as our exercising of free will, was set into motion, and everything that happened from then on was predetermined and figuratively, set in stone. 

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