Quote:In general let me make a couple of points.  

 

1.) The idea that it is impossible to have a discussion about the origins of the universe without descending into sectarian chaos is fundamentally antithetical to the existence of this sub-forum.  Think about it.  We have the basic guidelines that this isn't the place for religious Dogma or ideology yet here we are 11 pages in and we have shifted through discussion points without anyone having to personally divulge their particular faith or background.  Ultimately, its the goal of all education to create individuals who can conduct themselves in a civilized manner in the arena of ideas.  

 

2.) T.J. bender gets a gold star.  

 

3.) I have said before and I'll restate it (as someone who proudly believes in a creation narrative) I have zero objection to teaching Evolution in the classroom.  I have zero objection to teaching big bang theory in the classroom.  My objection is this.  Teach bot theories in whole.  In the case of the Big Bang that would include that in a lot of ways the idea that our universe and all the matter/energy there in has an age is somewhat paradoxical to the way that we know energy behaves.  In the case of evolution, it should also include that evolution even Macro evolution DOES NOT account for the ORIGINS of life on earth.  That's a separate hypothesis (not a scientific theory yet) called abiogenesis.  And this hypothesis would again be paradoxical with conventional bio-genesis that is currently a scientific law.  The problem i have is when you see some people who think their beliefs are rooted in science and then when you have a conversation with them the moment that you ask them what a founder population is or talk about reproductive isolation and their eyes glaze over.

So evolution is fact and there is no controversy to teach? Tell people screaming to teach it then. 

 

In addition there have been a couple of successful experimentation in abiogenesis. Fully solved? Of course, not but I'll take part way for now over nothing at all as it shows they at least appear to be on the right track. 

 

Example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller%E2%...experiment

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