Quote:What you have done is point out the incompleteness of sciences understanding of the beginnings of life. This is not an unknown. Nor is it evidence to support creationism. What you have not done is explain your position.

 

 

This is the fundamental crux of our disagreement.  You believe that sciences understanding of the beginning of life is simply "incomplete" implying that we know living systems develop from non living matter, we just don't know how.  That's a rational belief, but its just that a belief.  

 

I have cited and i will continue to cite the Law of bio genesis, meaning that what we KNOW is that every living system that we have ever observed was begotten by a previous living system.  I believe this scientific truth is at least paradoxical and in my opinion antithetical tot he concept of abiogenesis.  

 

You are right, there are a lot of people a lot smarter than me that think my conclusion is nonsense.  They have right to their opinion, just like the other LOT of people smarter than me who agree in the concept of a creator.  

 

As to my ability to type and express myself, you're welcome to go back line by line and see my opinions and conclusions on the matter and the train of thought that i used to get there.  Whether you agree with me or not is your business.  If you have a legitimate question about how i came to a certain conclusion i'll be happy to answer, but at the same time its a little trite taking the time to type out detailed responses only to be called DENSE or a SCIENCE DENIER because we disagree.  

 

Id like  back to the OP and what i said immediately after Eleventh Doctor brought up the idea of Creation in certain schools.  I have no problem with teaching the theory of evolution in schools.  I have no problem with teaching the big bang theory.  I have no problem teaching the hypothesis of abiogenesis.  My simple request from the start is that we teach the concepts in their TOTALITY so that each student can make up their mind based on a clear presentation of the facts.  

 

You don't want someone teaching from Genesis 1 in a classroom anymore than I want someone teaching "This is how we know life started, or this is how we know life became diverse" when the evidence is either contradictory or incomplete.  Call me crazy but that seems like a common sense conclusion.  

 

In my personal experience One of the best learning experiences that I had in my life was during my freshman Biology course.  Our entire final exam was based on the theory of evolution with mention of abiogenesis.  The thing that i respect most is that my professor remained committed to expressing the facts and didn't take a position either way.  He presented the relevant evidence and current theories arguments for and against.  For me this had a profound effect on me and actually strengthened my faith more than any other experience in my life.  For others who were of a more secular persuasion it just gave them more information about the possible origins of life and what markers they would be looking for in a conclusive explanation, and for for some people it just lead them to a more general sense of the wonder of life itself and the miracle, natural or otherwise, that it is.  

 

I think that people should have the opportunity to choose what institution they want their children to be educated in because nine times out of ten the child will reflect the parents views until a certain age anyway.  And within that choice i believe that the FULL exchange of ideas is only going to benefit the student and i wouldn't advocate a course of study that denied relevant information from anyone.  

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