Quote:I am not sure what you expect. You approach the matter from a place of fear and a desire to flex power on a world stage.

 

It's not fear to acknowledge when someone clearly states that they want to do you and your country serious harm.  That's common sense.  


 

I do not. I support peaceful solutions and anything that even attempts to avoid all out conflict I am in favor of.

 

Peace in our time, peace at any cost.  Appeasement only makes your aggressor more aggressive, as evidenced by the blatant flap to international law by the Iranians thus far
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It's a real hard debate to have because I genuinely do not understand the absolutism some exhibit in matters like these.

 

It's not absolutism.  I would support a meaningful negotiated settlement with the Iranians, i just know this isn't it.  


 

These generals are not trustworthy or were proven incorrect time and time again? Same with the nuclear watchdogs that support this deal? Name the trustworthy ones. Presumably they are politicians or journalists of some kind. I won't expect many scientists based on your thoughts on them.

 

Lol, what thoughts on them.  let's not try and rehash old debates by mis-characterizing my position.  As it stands right now, the Iranian regime is ALREADY IN VIOLATION OF INTERNATIONAL LAW and we haven't even voted on anything yet.  This isn't a matter of confidence, or credibility, its a matter of pure fact.  You are talking about a few unnamed retired Generals writing letters and they have their top General who we KNOW killed AMERICAN SOLDIERS out buying weapons preparing for war with us.   This is getting insane.


 

If they wanted to race for a bomb they could have prior to this deal and still can if the opponents of the deal get their way. This deal makes it harder.

 

How, I just gave you a laundry list of reasons why we got noting out of this deal.  And their economy was on the verge of collapse and we had frozen over 150 billion dollars of their assets.  Iran had TONS of motivation to get this deal done.  


 

All known sites can be inspected anytime

 

no they can't  http://www.timesofisrael.com/iran-talks-...with-iaea/  http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/1...V920150716


 

why do we keep perpetuating this myth that there are no any time inspections? There are. As I said in a previous reply it's absurd to expect any country to allow any country full, unfettered access to anywhere in there country. 

 

Because there's a minimum 24 day waiting period and its more like 90 with the appeals process.  


 

Again, what's the alternative? It's ok to say it. War. That's that Bibby wants and that's what the warmongers want. I do not. I support negotiation. I am sure many on the right do as well but they approach negotiation from a perceived stance of power that is just not there (outside of full true war). US does not control the world as evidenced by multiple nations being involved in these negotiations. 

 

The deal is not perfect, no deal is perfect in any negotiation between nations. IMO, we ought not let perfect be the enemy of the good. 

 

If this was good i'd agree with you.  This is as close to full capitulation as you get without writing the words term of surrender on the cover page of the agreement.  

 

What do I expect?  If Iran wants to be treated like a responsible nation LET IT ACT LIKE ONE!  Recognize israel's right to exist, recognize OUR right to exist, stop funding terrorism and give us back the hostages.  Let us verify all of the above for six months and lets talk about sanctions relief.  Those are negotiations.  That's diplomacy.  

 

Right now as we speak the leader of the country just published a book about how they are going to deceive us and wipe us off the Map.  Their top general who killed hundreds of American soldiers is entering into negotiations with the Russians on how to buy advanced weapons systems.  Even the architects of this agreement CONCEDE that the increase in funds is going to terrorist organizations and specifically those who wish to kill our soldiers abroad and the people of our ally Israel.  

 

when you concede that none of the above behavior has to change and that we will allow billions of dollars to flow into their economy then  it is you and YOUR ilk sir, who are operating from a point of fear Mr. Chamberlain.  

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