Quote:Not crying.  Just pointing out that the vines you're using as your personal scouting tool aren't necessarily representative of where Joeckel is at in his development.  Again, you latch on to a couple of snippets because it supports your dislike for Joeckel.  That's fine.  If he proves you wrong, I'm sure we won't be hearing any mea culpa from you.  That's now how people of your ilk operate.  They just move on to the next thing to whine about.