Quote:I have to disagree with you regarding rape as I understand it.  To me, rape is a violent crime that has nothing to do with sex.  It's all about domination, control and in most cases, very brutal.  That's not to say that it doesn't happen at some point using drugs, but let's look at the big picture here.

 

I'm not making excuses for frat boys, only trying to identify and solve the problem.  Are frat boys slipping date-rape drugs into drinks fed to young girls trying to do so to commit rape (as I defined it above) or is it because they want to "get their first experience"?

 

I do find it kind of "uncomfortable" that you seem to know which drugs to administer and the effects though.  (I kid  ).

Here's a scenario for you:

 

A frat boy meets a girl at a party. They hit it off. He asks her if she wants to "stay the night". She says no. He hits up one of his frat buddies for a roofie, which he then slips in her drink. While she's out cold, he has sex with her.

 

If rape is solely a violent act, then what is that? She did not grant consent for sex, so he nonviolently put her into a state where she couldn't object and had sex with her against her wishes anyway. What word could you possibly attach to that other than "rape"?

 

This is not about hormone-crazed freshmen out for their first time. This is a pattern of sexual abuse by fraternity members, and it's not just for their "first time" (if that's how a guy goes about getting his first time, then someone should cut his EDIT: OOPS off). The rationale behind it is irrelevant. What's relevant is that the girl/woman had either already said no or was not given the chance to before sexual intercourse happened. I just don't see any word to describe that other than "rape". I don't know if you're just being contrarian to liven up the discussion at this point, but you're basically defending rapists on the grounds that they're just "kids looking for their first time." That's significantly more disturbing than your defense of Josh Duggar's incestuous fondling by rationale of his being a minor at the time.

 

As to the drugs, I do know that at Arizona State, when I was there, the "drug of choice" was to slip a Xanax into a girl's cocktail. The pills were very easy to come by, they dissolved in the drinks quickly, and they didn't make it taste funny.

 

What wasn't considered is that Xanax and alcohol is one of those movie star suicide cocktails. One Xanax in a beer isn't going to do it, but if the girl has a very low tolerance and you drop a Xanax into her fourth or fifth beer...she could find herself waking up in the emergency room, if at all.

 

My wife takes a regulated version of GHB to help with a sleep disorder. No, seriously. The information booklet lists, "This drug is regulated," as the answer to a question about the differences between it and GHB. When she's taken it, she very quickly turns into a log. A loveable, happy, often-hungry log, then she goes under. But here's what scares me about it:

 

On occasion, while the drug is kicking in, she will express to me in what could best be described as a hazy slur that she's, ahem, "in the mood." By the time she's saying that, she usually has fairly limited ability to move her torso, and not nearly enough coordination to get up and walk away. It's kind of scary when you consider that, since the drug she's on is basically GHB, it's entirely possible that GHB is giving some rapists a built-in case for walking away clean. How were they to know she had been drugged? They thought she was just really drunk. Besides, she did say yes, right?

 

Edit: I did not think it would let me say that word.

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