Quote:Words mean a lot don't they?   :yes:

 

However, is it not out of the question to make said bombing ranges or target ranges right along the border?  What would stop us from doing so?

 

 

Quote:The farmers and ranchers that own land near and abutting the border, the Native Americans who have at least one reservation right along it, and the tens of thousands of ATVers who visit the Imperial Dunes every year, for starters.

 

 

Quote:Ask those very people if they are willing to give up an area for national security and see what they say.

 

There is the entire exchange.  

 

Giving up the freedom of owning your property without having it trampled on by the government and giving up freedom of privacy from being trampled on by the government for the safety and benefit of "security" are the same darn thing.  You cannot be for government intrusion via the military into private land, and then say the patriot act is bad.  You cannot be for big Orwellian government in on case and against it in another.  You need to reconcile those two points.

 

I understand you are a military man.  That's great, but clearly it's clouding your objectivity...

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