Quote:Lol TH...you've completely moved the goalposts of the debate from Teddy isn't in the same discussion as Clowney to 'Teddy isn't the #2 this decade behind Luck'. Finding people that judge him to only be as good as RG3 or Stafford or whichever other elite QB prospect still easily puts Teddy in the same class as Clowney. Let's try it this way...

 

http://walterfootball.com/draftdata.php (I hate Walter and his site but the draft database and prospect lists are useful)

 

I count 74 mocks have been updated in the last 2 months. 5 of them have Clowney #1...and only 2 of those are since mid October. There are a couple Mariota and Manziel sprinkled in. Now obviously I don't know most of them and wouldn't vouch for their evaluating talent...but the fact that like 90% of the draft sites in the world have Teddy as #1 strongly supports my point 

 

And yes, before you try to say those are mocks and not big boards...I'm sure that some of those people have Clowney as a purely better prospect than Teddy, but not so far out of the discussion that Teddy's talent and positional values don't easily overtake Clowney. In fact roughly half of them think that Mariota or Manziel are close enough to Clowney that their talent + position value = more than Clowney. That was the original point and I think that is the resounding consensus among those who claim to be experts.

 

Lord Jesus Christ.. where have I "moved goal posts"..  The only one who is doing that is you..  You've stuck words in my mouth and said I said things I never said.. said vastly the entire planet shares your opinion, when they don't, and are now trying to Lawyer things up.

 

BTW I haven't changed the discussion... YOU HAVE.  I STILL DON'T BELIEVE Bridgewater comes close to the total prospect that Clowney is. The only reason why I'm discussing whether or not he's "' the #2 this decade behind Luck" is because you brought it up and I think it's complete asinine to think he's the #2 prospect this decade.  I have doubt if he's even the best prospect in his own draft.

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