Quote:What's funny is that I never said he wasn't improving or getting better. The disagreement lies within what we all take his ceiling to be. In my opinion he hasn't shown to capable of being more than an average to slightly above average QB relative to the rest of the young players in the league and when contextualizing the stats in comparison to all time greats. I've cited my data and have done my best to clearly lay out my reasoning and how my examples support my position. Most just assume he is a lock to be a top 5 QB in the league but aren't willing to either point out the flaws in my reasoning, or clarify their own.

But his stats as a 2nd year QB don't back up your argument. His play now is on pace to surpass Andrew Luck by a good amount. How can his ceiling be that low when his play isn't suggesting that up to this point? If he cools down then opinions can and will change depending on stats and circumstances.


Who said he was a lock for top 5?

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