Quote:Oh I agree completely. We keep doing the same things and getting results that are, at the best, unfavorable. Does not matter which party is in power or the the person in the chair. Makes me wonder if maybe the issue leading us to constantly intervene in everything isn't the person making the call but the people "advising" the dude in the chair. Not sure TBH. 

So much this. I am of the opinion that Iraq was all Cheney and Rumsfeld. I was living in Germany when 9/11 happened and we went to Afghanistan. The Germans had no problem with it based on the knowledge we had at the time. They were very supportive. And I'm speaking for the actual folks I talked to, not politicians.

 

As soon as we started talking about going into Iraq though, they were not so supportive of that, at all. They were wondering how Bush could be such an idiot (their words) and there had to be something going on that the public wasn't being told. I believe Rumsfeld and Cheney were jerking Bush's chain until he finally caved. There are people from that administration who felt the same and wrote as much in their books. Whether it's true or not, who knows. But it's something I've suspected for a very long time.

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