Quote:The extent of this nuanced robust debate you refer to is saying baby body parts over and over until a crazy person murders people than acting shocked that your atone cold lies could have anything to do with motivating the rabble to commit acys of terrorist.

 

Lies?  you mean the lies about a practice that was shown to be against federal law so blatantly that the organization promised to stop the practice?  lol. 


 

Or basing your entire foreign policy on a single enemey and if we just the words radical Islam it will somehow make things better or "we win they lose". Or having the current leader in polling just telling you he's rich and that America is a bunch of sucky losers but he can fix it just like those companies of his he ran into bankruptcy.

 

4 deals...  ten billion dollar empire...  nuance.  



If this is what you consider robust debate than its no surprise why the right tries to villify and ridicule acedemia. It makes perfect sense.

 

You mean the same academia that tries to villify and ridicule him?
 


Nuance is understanding the difference between "carpet bombing" and strategic strikes and how one is an act of terrorism and the other is a more effectual way to deal with an enemy like isis. Or undersranding how saying we should be less concerned with killing innocents and presumably doing so if you were in charge leads to more coverts to extremism.

 

Because the strategic bombing has gone so well this far right?

 

Quote:There are 8 million Muslims in the United States.   Two of them shot up San Bernardino.   So let's just throw out everything we stand for as a country in terms of religious freedom.  

 

What is it that you think we stand for in regards to religious freedom?  The idea of having robust vetting for people who come into this country doesn't violate the idea of a right to the free exercise there of.  


 

Let's establish a religious test for entering the country, "until we can figure out what's going on," whatever that means.  

 

Under current federal law the executive must take into account the religion of those seeking refuge in this country.  That's why Christians are having a heck of a time getting into the country from Syria.  


 

Let's just alienate 1.6 billion people worldwide and tell them they can't enter the country, can't come over and visit their relatives, can't go see the Grand Canyon, can't come over to go to engineering school at the University of Illinois.  No American dream for you. 

 

 

I can't buy into that.  

 

1.) They're not citizens of this country to begin with so by definition its not a violation of the first amendment.  

 

2.) we've said several times that the purpose of Trumps process is to develop a process by which we know whats going on, not a unilateral banning of people coming into the country, even he has admitted as much.  

 

3.) You and your ilk have still expressed more outrage over a proposed temporary moratorium than you have about the fact that a female terrorist entered this country having to only file documents online.  This process was allowed because she was to be wed to a man who in 2012 was suspected of conspiring to commit terrorist acts in this country and the subsequent investigation and surveillance was called off because it was deemed by the Muslim Brotherhood Council on American Islamic Relations that it would be too politically incorrect to pursue him.  

 

4.) This idea that some proposal on immigration would randomly motivate anyone to violence in and of itself is preposterous.  Look at the Muslim world as a whole.  What do you find?  Religious tests.  In certain countries that we count as allies if you walk down the street with a cross around your neck you run the risk of being beaten killed or worse (and yes, there is worse).  you still are forbidden to express certain beliefs in those countries.  If you leave the state mandated faith of islam you are put to death by stoning.  You can't build Churches etc. etc. etc.  Is this the pillar of egalitarian religious tolerance that the world is supposed to emulate?  IT'S ABSURD!  

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