Quote:Everyone has all of their rights until they give them to government and allow them dictate when we can use them and when we can't. The only exclusion that was originally implied was the harm of others. I have the right to say as I please, associate with whom I choose, use my property how I see fit, defend myself and my property as needed, and be assumed inoccent until proven guilty so long as I'm not harming another individual.


We've complicated the issue with discrimination laws, regulations on commerce, prohibition of substances, restrictions of private unions, and registry of firearms. All are examples of peole giving up rights to allow an ultimate authority deciede when you can practice your rights.

Quote:I guess she is saying if you commit murder (for taking away a person's right to life) you lose your right to liberty?  The moment you take away another person's rights you lose your rights in the process, but it isn't that simple.

If I have a freedom of speech, and I slander your name doesn't that make me lose my right to freedom of speech (not if you are a newspaper, you can't be sued for liable - Trumps argument against New York Times.)