Quote:It's nice to have slogans. It's not helpful in a debate, but it's good to have a mantra that helps you get by.


Marxism is, at the end of the day, the government controlling the means of production.


If you don't want to have an adult conversation, and you just want to regurgitate the propaganda you've swallowed, just say so.


I'm all for understanding the truth. I long gave up this my team v your team mentality. It's done me well.


So it's easy for me to see the benefits and draw backs of each side.


So it does intrigue me when I hear analysis that seems to be completely partisan and not based on all the facts.


For instance, blaming the recession of 2008-2009 on the government is just not the entire truth. It makes for a great talking point for your team, but it does nothing to get to the truth.


To ignore the banks and their huge roll in this is just proving you are not here to have a discussion on finding what the truth is, but only to fight for your team. And that's fine, but a bit boring.

Marxism has been expressed in many different subclasses of economic classification in the last two centuries. These spread across q spectrum of state ownership/control of the means of production because as a practical sense full assimilation of western style economies is impractical.


The guiding principles of Marxism are two fold and remain constant across that spectrum.


1.) from each according to their ability to each according to their need. This is the model for wealth redistribution through centralized government control and compulsory taxation to achieve the Marxist view of an egalitarian view. This makes no distinction about the moral or ethical condition of those receiving benefits or the long term negative affects on production from taxation

This is an ideology you parrot faithfully without any willingness to examine the basic structure or consequences of SOCIAL PROGRAMS. You also decry anyone who criticizes the size and scope of the welfatr state as hating poor people.


2.) profit motive is synonymous with greed. You have continually demeaned and deligitimized the production of goods by private companies bemoaning that profit motive is an inherently corrupting force. What you and other Marxist ideologues conveniently leave out is the fundamental choice of the consumer and the sheer incompetence of the state.


As for the financial crisis, when more than half the paper in the country was bought by government sponsored entities and all the regulations were written by state agencies it is not PROPAGANDA to make a logical inference.

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