Quote:There were multiple instances of men posing as women, others where men claimed general protection as transgender and one instance where the university of Toronto had to suspend their gender neutral bathroom system because of abuse.


What u refuse to acknowledge is that if the policy encourages or allows "straight dudes with bad intentions" greater or unfettered access to women's facilities then that is a problem.


Yo go so far as to dismiss a sex offender being allowed into a woman's restroom. If you can't keep people with Proven records of sexual assault from entering a restroom under this policy then it needs to be seriously rethought.


Frankly its callous to sit in the face of real violations of women's privacy and try and waive an urban dictionary (a) at the victims to lecture then on trans transvestitism etc. (I provided a link with definitions above that you obviously missed.) It speaks to an inability to ( B) empathize with anyone who doesn't fit your narrow world view.


I'm glad you know trans people you think highly of. That doesn't change the possibility of your system being abused. I know a lot of straight guys that seem okay. Does that invalidate any and all trans concerns about their safety?

 

Ok...this is actually an overall good statement. I do maintain that you are still attempting to paint transgender persons with a very broad and ill-fitting brush but your fundamental point is not lost on me...for what that's worth.

 

However:

 

a ) You, as a hetereosexual male, are NOT a victim here and likely never will be.

 

Your definitions are incomplete at best and not in any way indicative of who these people actually are. Random straight dude who puts on a tennis skirt to skeeve into the ladies' room for lurid activity is not the same as a transwoman. That's where you keep missing the boat. That notwithstanding, that random straight dude who puts on a tennis skirt to skeeve into the ladies' room is a potential problem and not a single person here is saying he isn't. The question I posit is how to we account for this feminine hygiene product without impugning on the liberties of an entire group of people?

 

b )The hypocrisy contained in this statement is staggering. You aren't a dumb dude at all. You can do better than this. Can you not see that pretty much any oppressed minority group can use the exact same statement when advocating for their rights? Basically, the entire LGBT community (not just transgender persons) would give you a collective "really, female dog...really?!?" In all honesty, both sides of this particular discussion are guilty of committing this error. I wish I knew why but I don't have an answer for that.

 

Finally, it's been mentioned before, by both rollerjag and myself, but seriously...riddle me this: What do you honestly think would happen if Buck Angel pimp struts into a NC ladies room to tinkle? I acknowledge, Buck is an extreme case but we seem to only be focused on the extreme cases so why stop now?

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