Quote:As i said, and as you proved, your question is based on the idea that human beings make decisions logically.  We know that not to be the case.  People commit suicide because they want attention, people are trapped in the cycle of choosing abusive partners that are abusive because they have a weak sense of self, masochistic tendancies, etc.  The most complex psychological puzzle is how and why we develop our sense of "SELF."  The one thing that we can be sure of on the whole of human history is that human choice is not inherently predicated on what is right, logical or even healthy.  

 

<b>When did you make the decision to be straight?  Just curious.   </b>


 

<b>You are reducing your argument to just this, right?  Being transgender is a decision that people are making every day the same way you could choose to eat the same exact meal every day of your life.  And since the dawn of man, people have been transgender "by choice" for the purpose of "attention mostly." </b>


 

<b>Therefore, LGBT people who live in countries where religious extremists hunt and kill them are making a choice and can just the same choose to be straight to serve the primary biological function in all living creatures -- staying alive--  EXCEPT THE PROBLEM IS...  every transgender person who has ever faced harassment or attack (including those who live in countries where they are hunted with assault rifles and machetes) must ALSO be suffering from .."weak sense of self, masochistic tendencies, etc."  ..so they just keep being LGBT, knowing they can be quite literally murdered because of it.  </b>


 

<b>So these people are choosing it.  This kid right here in town who I linked to earlier is choosing it.</b>


 

http://mic.com/articles/142209/a-trans-t....0Q2BmW50K

 

My friend's daughter who I have told you about is choosing it too.  "For attention (mostly)."  A fairly consistent percentage of the planet has been all choosing this for all time. That is your argument.  


 

Moreover, I have stated repeatedly that the concept of choice and biological predisposition are not mutually exclusive.  I have sexual urges every time i see a woman with nice legs in a pair of high heels.  It's the way i am.  Going up to a woman and soliciting a date would be a choice, and a violation of the oath i made to my wife.  My natural urges do not make my ACTIONS and CHOICES right on their face.  

 

People born with XX chromosomes are generally considered female and people born with XY chromosomes are generally considered males.  

 

What are people born with XXY chromosomes generally considered?  What about people born with XYY chromosomes?  How would a doctor, a father or a mother know their baby was born XXY or XYY on the day of it's birth?  How would the baby itself know when it travels through that "most complex psychological puzzle" in developing the sense of self?  And when they get old enough to realize what their sense of self is, who are you to criticize them for it?


 

I am grateful you at least acknowledge there is a biological explanation for why transgender people exist.  What I am curious about is why you reject it and are so transfixed on the notion it is something all LGBT are choosing for themselves and their families knowing that any stranger may be of a disposition to harm them unprovoked? 

 

The argument that being transgender is a choice, of course also excludes the medical possibility that fluctuations or imbalances in certain hormones or the use of certain FDA approved medicines during pregnancy may cause transgender or intersex conditions in utero.  Or that being transgender is tied to brain structure.  This to you is also not as acceptable as the belief it is a choice.

 

<b>Continuing to introduce your own urges and talking about your marriage oath has nothing to do with the transgender discussion.  You are a straight male with certain urges and preferences based on your upbringing and testosterone levels.  Whoop-dee-doo.  You're not special.  </b>


 

<b>then you hit me with that last line..  </b>


 

<b>"My natural urges do not make my ACTIONS and URGES right on the face."</b>


 

<b>..and I thought to myself..  "what the [BAD WORD REMOVED] is he trying to say here?"</b>


 

<b>Is this some latent guilt you have because you have feelings of lust for some 20 year old pumping gas in heels and you're married? Are you repressed somehow?  What actions have you been taking by following your natural urges which are not right?   Or are you saying a trans person's natural urges do not make them the right urges?  </b>


 

<b>Whatever it is you were trying to say, I think it works better as a mystery..  again..  I do not see how any of it bears relevance.</b>


 

There are lots of men who don't achieve sexual arousal unless the person that they are with or fantasizing about is pre-pubescent.  does that mean that CHOOSING to ACT on those feelings excuses pedophilia?  What about men who can't achieve arousal or climax unless the woman that they are having intercourse with is being forced against her Will.  Marquis De Sade inspired entire lines of sexual thought based on that concept.  Does that make Rape okay?  Why don't we celebrate these PREDATORS trapped in human bodies?

 

<b>You really want to muddy the waters don't you.  This is the same type of maneuver Liberty Counsel and that brand of opportunists employ when trying to distract from the real discussion.  You want to introduce the contested causes of pedophilia, masochism AND tendencies for rape/violence against women into the contested argument we are having right now on the causes of transgender.  (Of course you're not equating transgender people with pedophiles.  You just like it when those two words are really close together in a sentence. )  </b>


 

<b>You have trouble enough staying on one topic within a single post you are typing yourself without bringing in all that other garbage.  But nice effort in trying to paint me as a person that condones pedophilia and rape because I find the theory transgender people are "that way" by choice to be patently false.</b>


 

<b>Of course my bias on this ONLY comes from the transgender people who have confided in me that they did not choose to be this way.  I don't know if you've been hiding some REALLY impressive Breitbart link in your back pocket all this time to an article that will simply blow my mind, but I am gonna trust my gut on this one. </b>


 

<b>If you really wanted to test your theory out, you could poll a cross section of actual transgender people yourself.  ..unless another trait of transgender people is pathological lying which they cannot control.</b>

 

As for your comments on Caitlyn Jenner.  As I have said..  you could not have picked a worse example for what transgender is. Having been in that family, I don't know what the hell she has going on in her head, but she is hardly the first gay or trans person to attempt to find happiness in the veil of the heteronormative lifestyle only to accept at a later time (often after having kids) that they are LGBT.  I know several examples of people gay and trans who fit this description here in Jax.  As for Caitlyn...  she wants to date men.

 

And as for the blind lady you linked to..  she is not CHOOSING that either..  She suffers from a mental disorder called Apotemnophilia.  You can read all about it here:

 

http://www.biid.org/biid-meaning.html

 

Since you have been stating all along being transgender is a choice, I can only assume you are not going to reverse stream now and claim it is a mental disorder like ol' Drano eyes you've been obsessing over.  Again..  you can stop introducing things that have no place in the transgender discussion any time you want.

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