Quote:Very helpful. Not framed as an attack, but it reveals you are sexually repressed. There is no other excuse for trying to link biological makeup to morality except someone told you your biology is something to be ashamed of.


Of the thousands of species that exhibit homosexual or bisexual behavior, humans are the only ones who persecute other humans for it and it always goes back to morality and sin.


Of the myriad of studies I have read on the subject, yours is the ONLY one trying to equate gay or trans with BIID. You are referencing a biological explanation, but are pretty much explaining you feel being gay or trans being is a mental disorder. You equate gay or trans with self harm. Are those with mutated genes giving them red hair harming themselves for being gingers? No. That's just their biological makeup. But when biological makeup has to do with self identity or sexual attraction, your logic goes straight to the morality of it.


When I was 3 and realized I liked the naked girls in my dad's Playboy mags, it wasn't a crisis of self that created the intrinsic desire. It was a natural reaction to my biological makeup. I didn't know anything about sex. But I liked bare breasts and lady parts.


While I appreciate you claiming NOT to be straight, it was not a trick question. The implication is strictly based on sexual attraction. Straight males like women. If you are implying you are not straight, that means you either ALSO find men sexually desirable or you EXCLUSIVELY find men sexually desirable. If the thought of physical intimacy with another man repulses you or is just not something you can see yourself doing, you are straight.


You say you do not believe the way people are born is intrinsicly right. So again, I imagine when you see two male lizards in your back yard humping, you do not care. But because people have ingrained in you this idea that premarital sex is bad and any non-heterosexual sex is immoral, you are comfortable taking this position (as it relates to humans). To believe that we are born as we should be may contradict some other belief system you have reinforced in your brain. So you call these people "afflicted" for having same sex attraction because TO YOU it may be natural, but it is not right. You don't subscribe to the idea of "ex-gay" conversion therapy, but you still feel that these people, though biologically disposed to certain tendencies are not right or afflicted somehow. You would be much more comfortable if they would just choose to be straight (though you could no easier choose to be gay).


Your post tells me no matter how much you can read or try to rationalize why people are gay or trans, you will always have some degree of cognitive dissonance (it's as if I have been saying this all along) when it comes to fully accepting any argument I pose as your perception of what is logical requires "permission" or "agreement" with your interpretation of a book whose meaning is so contested there are tens of thousands of denominations claiming to know its TRUE interpretation. You can dispute this if you like, but you're the one incapable of separating morality from discussions of biology, choice or psychology.

 

1.) From a purely Darwinian standpoint, the healthiest set of behaviors for any given organism are those behaviors that enable the passing along of their genetic material to the next generation and providing the best environment for their offspring to thrive.  

 

Same Sex attraction hinders an organism from being able to pass on their genetic material.  

 

We know that the most beneficial construct for the raising of offspring is the biological two parent household.  '

 

2.) If you were born with a hand that was deformed, would you not look to have it made whole? If you were born with a cleft palot would you not seek to be made whole?  

 

3.) Same Sex Attraction isn't the only intrinsic form of sexual attraction that deviates from the norm.  There are men who cannot achieve orgasm or arousal if the woman that they are with demonstrates any form of consent or enjoyment (The most extreme form of Sadism expressed my the Marquis De Sade himself.)  Does that mean that we should look at Rapists as predators sent from on high?  There are some men who cannot achieve arousal with a partner that has passed the age of puberty.  NAMBLA would tell you that because these people have a sincere intrinsic desire that pedophilia is okay?  There are some people who don't have the natural filter that makes nuclear family members sexually off limits.  Does that mean that we lift up incest?  There are some people that fantasize about dead people and dead things in order to achieve arousal.  I know that i never fantasized about dead things when i was a young child.  Does that Make Dahmer Bundy and the like beings of a higher calling?  

 

Sexual addictions or compulsions are the hardest in the world to deal with, but that doesn't mean that just because they are intrinsic or sincere that they are to be both indulged and emotionally subsidized by society at large.  

 

4.) To a certain degree we are all sexually repressed.  I don't know how your marriage works, but I'm pretty sure you don't relieve yourself in public every time you see a woman's top open or her dress too short.  

 

5.) Last but not least, the tale of two marshmallows.  The marshmallow test is the single greatest indicator of the success of a child.  You give the child a marshmallow on his or her plate and you tell them that if they don't eat the marshmallow for 20 minutes they will get a second marshmallow.  It's a test designed to examine the ability of the child to manage their short term desires vs. long term gain.  As the stewards of the planet its not only within our grasp but our responsibility to strive beyond our basic programming for the betterment of ourselves and society.  

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