Quote:Ah welcome back.


I'm glad you agree. There are many instances of animals changing sexual behaviour,birthing patterns, and even gender based on outside factors. So using your example.


"But all animals (including humans) also have a small subset which is bisexual or exclusively homosexual. Can this not also be considered natural if it occurs so frequently across all manner of species? If not, why not? How do you explain it?"


So we can agree in animals,that not every animal is born homosexual,some change their sexuality/gender based on outside influence. Many animals (including humans) have small subsets of homosexuals,would it be realistic to say humans may be influenced by outside factors also?


Your really on your last legs when your comparing the birthing behaviour of albatross's to the Chinese. In every society in the world young men take risks to achieve a higher status in life,the Chinese are no different ,albeit with many people,also attracting a female has nothing to do with breathing in fumes in a city. What does anyone of this have to do with what we're talking about?


Interesting language,instead of saying you might accept,you said you will not wholly reject. You said earlier it was an "absolutely absurd" idea. I think when you consider the complex nature of sexaulity,human biology and society it would be far more likely to be a complex combination of factors rather than just one of them like you believe. Remember I'm not saying they choose this at all,I think that's one point we agree with.

Wasn't comparing birds to the Chinese. I was applying the model of on one gender clearly outnumbering another to humans. China's cultural history provides a perfect example. Noticed you didn't disagree that there is not a spike in gay men there. While I can accept that some environmental factors can influence birds and possibly humans to blur the lines of heterosexuality, the example you provide and the comparison I made is not a "last legs" argument. The environmental model is quite similar. The environmental factors I describe are accurate. In humans, under similar conditions there is not a marked increase in homosexuality.

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