Quote:Wasn't comparing birds to the Chinese. I was applying the model of on one gender clearly outnumbering another to humans. China's cultural history provides a perfect example. Noticed you didn't disagree that there is not a spike in gay men there. While I can accept that some environmental factors can influence birds and possibly humans to blur the lines of heterosexuality, the example you provide and the comparison I made is not a "last legs" argument. The environmental model is quite similar. The environmental factors I describe are accurate. In humans, under similar conditions there is not a marked increase in homosexuality.

Of course I didn't disagree ,I havn't argued once that more men equals more homosexuality? This is a strawman argument. I was merely using the the animals changing sex and sexual preference based on environment to disqualify that they are born one way or another,and you are the one who made the comparison to animals first remember. For instance the leader of clownfish groups is always female. If the leader dies and there is no more females and male turns himself into a female. So you admit that environment/society/biology can influence sexuality/gender?

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