Quote:But it's a very long way from saying the government is abusing their power to saying the government should be abolished.   Or even an agency of the government.  

 

My argument has been all along to abolish the federal EPA and force states to have their own,  I'll even meet in the middle and say lets have regional EPAs instead of a federal one with as much power as it currently has.  Its not that I don't want to protect the environment but their are better ways than giving one large federal body extreme powers.

Quote:So what keeps Mexico's pollution out of the untied States?


If that's the argument national standards are pointless and we can only accept a global standard.

 

Global standards don't apply to the grand old US.  National standards are fine, I just want local authorities enforcing them.  Those national standards need to have state addendum's to them in some cases.  

 

Quote:I'll raise my hand on that one.  

 

Pollution can and does flow across state lines.   That's why we need a national plan, not individual state plans. 

 

Their would be a national plan which would serve as a guideline and the states would have their detailed plans.  Does the Federal Government know more about Florida wet lands than we do? 

 

Quote:Nations have to negotiate these things.   If we had 50 states negotiating pollution regulations with each other, why don't we just use the national government to do it?   That's why we don't have 50 nation-states.   It's too complicated.   It's a lot simpler to just have each state send representatives to a central location and decide these things all at once. 

 

I suppose that makes sense if each state is surrounded by 49 other states.  More than likely you only have a few states on your border, and you work with them anyway because they are close!  Its not like Florida and California would be talking to each other about Los Angeles smog.  Why not use the national gov?  BECAUSE IT IS TOO FREAKING BIG.  Let states have some power. 

 

Quote:You don't have to eliminate environmental protection, you just have to eliminate the current bureaucracy. You saw how hard it was just to fire a convicted child molester. The VA killed people, and not a single person was jailed; very few were even fired. In the current federal bureaucracy, abolishing the EPA is the only way to get rid of the corruption. Afterwards, a new agency can be created if necessary.

we see what happens with these big government organizations over and over again.  Why not tone down the size and scope of such an organization and shrink it down to the state level.  Or regional level. 

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