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Questions to the board: Tipping Point Reached?

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Quote:Yo Boy said the least talented Super Bowl team he can recall is the 2002-03 Bucs that won the Super Bowl, so I'll address this answer to both of you but for different reasons, since he acknowledged talent is a huge factor in coaching success.


That Bucs team had two Hall of Fame inductees (Warren Sapp, Derrick Brooks), one Hall of Fame Finalist(John Lynch-9 career Pro Bowls), another 3 time Pro Bowler (Simeon Rice), another Pro Bowler in LB Shelton Quarles, and Ronde Barber, who made five pro bowls and was a 3 time first team All Pro CB. That's just on defense. On the offensive side of the ball, that Bucs team boasted WR Keenan McCardell (you remember him, don't you), Keyshawn Johnson (3 time Pro Bowler), and Mike Alstott, a six time Pro Bowler and 3 time 1st team All Pro. Considering QB Brad Johnson also made the Pro Bowl that year, that team had at least TEN (10) one time or more Pro Bowlers on that team.

<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/tam/2002_roster.htm'>http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/tam/2002_roster.htm</a>


I submit to you, Yo Boy, that Tampa team was more talented than you may have realized.


As for Flsportsgod, while Gruden won the Super Bowl with that Tampa team, most acknowledge Dungy was the architect of that team, as he had been the coach immediately before Gruden's arrival,and Gruden won the Super Bowl his first year with the Bucs. They kept the same defensive scheme-philosophy. Was the scheme gimmicky?


Now perhaps that is an aberration because that defense was absolutely loaded. Maybe it was gimmicky.


How did he do with Indy?


His Super Bowl winning team there had at least three defenders who would make the Pro Bowl at least once in that scheme: Freeney, Mathis, and Antoine Bethea.

<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/clt/2006_roster.htm'>http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/clt/2006_roster.htm</a>


Granted, that team was horrible defensively for most of that Super Bowl winning season, but after we put up 375 yards on them, that defense started playing much better, and actually played at a high level in the playoffs that year. Dungy stayed with the Colts until 2008. The year AFTER they won the Super Bowl, the Colts finished first in scoring defense and 3rd in yards allowed. They added Bob Sanders, who made Pro Bowl and All Pro twice in his short career.


Did his defense become more gimmicky, or did talent have anything to do with it?


Thus far, Bradley hasn't worked with anywhere near the talent Dungy did with Tampa or Indy. Poz has made one pro bowl in his career, as has Marks (here in Jacksonville as an alternate). Dungy's teams in Tampa and Indy had studs on at least two levels of the defense and pass rushing catalysts. Bradley hasn't had that here.
not taking away from anything u said but after we put up 375 Bob Sanders came back an single handily won them a sb had he not been made of glass he made that defense a completely different animal I know this prolly isn't the place to show love for Bobby but when he wasn't on the field that defense was absolutely terrible
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