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Adam Schein says 2016 is "make-or-break" season for Gus Bradley


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As to the highlighted portion, your original quote said "every year since Belicheck took over their defense has been in the top 17..."

 

To then turn around and restrict the standard to last year is disingenuous.
 

I didn't restrict it to last year. I specifically pointed out 2009. My point was that sure, there were some years where he had exceptional talent, but others where he didn't, yet the Pats defense was never in the 20s or 30s.


 

Quote:To ask about raw talent vs. development...here's a few things to keep in mind.

 

First, Belichick started running their defense initially in 2000.  But keep in mind, before then, it was still largely stocked by Parcells.  Belicheck came up under Parcells and coached with him for years.  Many Belicheck assistant coaches were on those Parcells teams with the Giants and Patriots.  There were players from Parcell's last Patriots' Defense in 1996 that were still on the roster in 2000, including Willie McGinest, Ted Johnson, Tedy Bruschi, Ty Law, and Lawyer Milloy.  Many of those guys were already developed and familiar with the scheme.  He didn't HAVE to develop those guys, and most of them played key roles in their Super Bowl years of 1996-pre Belicheck- and of 2001 (Belicheck era).  Secondly, McGinest was a first round pick, Johnson was a 2nd round pick, Ty Law was a first round pick, Milloy was a 2nd round pick, Bruschi was a 3rd round pick, Seymour was a first round pick in 2001, and Wilfork was a first round pick.  THose guys had the innate talent already.  To suggest it wasn't a talented nucleus before Belicheck simply isn't true.
 

First off, McGinest battled injuries in 2001. He was no more a factor than Marks was last year for the Jags.


And everything you say would all be pertinent if I hadn't asked about improvement under Gus. I don't expect a mid round pick to be developed into the same player a first round pick, but I expect improvement no matter where a player is drafted. Gus' record is littered with young defensive players who haven't improved, Cyprien, Gratz, Branch, Evans, Colvin.


Telvin Smith is good but he was as good when he arrived. McCray ... well, only Gus knows why he wasn't playing ahead of at least Gratz. Clearly Ryan Davis was too valuable on ST to get a chance to play LEO (go figure).




 

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As to that 2009 roster of New England's you referenced?  They DID still have two pretty good players along the DL in Ty Warren and Vince Wilfork.  The castoffs they got from other rosters were at least productive players before coming to New England (Adalius Thomas, Shawn Springs).  Yes, Bradley brought over Bryant and Clemons from Seattle, but they were finished too.  Not only that, but unlike that "untalented" rag tag group of misfits in New England, the Jaguars defense under Bradley had zero offensive support.  Gabbert and Henne were the QBs.  WHo did the Belicheck group have to support them?  Some guy named Tom Brady.
 

I mentioned Wilfork. Ty Warren was shot by 2009. So were Sean Springs and Adalius Thomas, both of whom retired after that season.


 

Gus' defense had zero offensive support in 2015? Really?


 

Did you pay any attention at all to the starting QBs the Jags defense faced last season? Gus' defense could never have asked for an easier path to a mid-level ranking.


 

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Adam Schein says 2016 is &quot;make-or-break&quot; season for Gus Bradley - by MalabarJag - 06-11-2016, 07:53 PM



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