Quote:No I'm basing it on the fact that he was a sure-fire can't miss prospect and should be light years ahead of where he is going into his 4th and 5th seasons.

Sure he was injured. But he was playing poorly before he was injured.

And he may not have had a lot of seasoned vets, he surely didn't have the depleted roster the Jaguars had. He didn't have 2nd year guys blocking on the Oline and he had no veteran help in the backfield.

Zip.

 

The clots were a good enough team, had a tankeriffic season keeping Painter in, grabbed Luck and zoomed right back to the top of a bad division.

 

Now the bad teams have actually gotten better and the QB that should be able to carry his team, actually seems to regress.

Luck had a helluva rookie year. But by those standards he had an average sophmore season.... his INTs came back up in his 3rd year, while he did hit yardage highs....his total turnovers were 20.

I'm not basing anything on the fact Luck was injured.... prior to injury he was on pace for 3600 yards 30 TDs 24 INTs

Maybe Luck bounces back... or maybe he is just another run of the mill QB.

Not so special...

Let me try to address this one point at a time.

 

Argument 1: Luck was a sure-fire can't miss prospect: Luck set a rookie passing record and got better each of his first three years -- advancing further into the playoffs each year. The fact that he set numerous league and franchise records does not factor into your analysis? He should be further along now after having the best three year start of any QB in league history? How so. I think he has shown that he is a can't miss prospect.

 

Argument 2: Luck didn't have a depleted roster: I would argue that Luck did have a depleted roster. As stated in my last post, the Colts relied heavily on rookies on offense and relied on Mathis and Bethea to lead the defense. Everyone else, including an old and ineffective Freeney in a new system was ineffective.

 

Arguement 3: The Colts tanked: No they didn't tank. Everyone lost their jobs -- the coaches, the GM and the players -- there was no reason to tank. They just ended up with the #1 draft at the right time. Everyone was saying that if you take Manning out of the Colts lineup, they would be a horrible team, and they were right. They had not been drafting well and paying aging players to stick around, depleting the team of real talent.

 

Quote:Not to mention Luck is what, .500 against non AFCS opponents?

What is Bortles' record against non AFCS opponents? Or for that matter, what is his record against AFCS opponents?

 

(I'm not here to 'hate' but if we are comparing the two, we have to have an even playing field, right? And we have to allow people to have a differing opinion, as long as it can be argued logically. I state this because another poster told me to leave the forum since my views did not agree with his.) I hope that it's okay for me to provide a different opinion on things without coming off as argumentative.

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