Quote:Let me try to address this one point at a time.

 

Argument 1: Luck was a sure-fire can't miss prospect: Luck set a rookie passing record and got better each of his first three years -- advancing further into the playoffs each year. The fact that he set numerous league and franchise records does not factor into your analysis? He should be further along now after having the best three year start of any QB in league history? How so. I think he has shown that he is a can't miss prospect.

 

Argument 2: Luck didn't have a depleted roster: I would argue that Luck did have a depleted roster. As stated in my last post, the Colts relied heavily on rookies on offense and relied on Mathis and Bethea to lead the defense. Everyone else, including an old and ineffective Freeney in a new system was ineffective.

 

Arguement 3: The Colts tanked: No they didn't tank. Everyone lost their jobs -- the coaches, the GM and the players -- there was no reason to tank. They just ended up with the #1 draft at the right time. Everyone was saying that if you take Manning out of the Colts lineup, they would be a horrible team, and they were right. They had not been drafting well and paying aging players to stick around, depleting the team of real talent.

 

What is Bortles' record against non AFCS opponents? Or for that matter, what is his record against AFCS opponents?

 

(I'm not here to 'hate' but if we are comparing the two, we have to have an even playing field, right? And we have to allow people to have a differing opinion, as long as it can be argued logically. I state this because another poster told me to leave the forum since my views did not agree with his.) I hope that it's okay for me to provide a different opinion on things without coming off as argumentative.

Passing records are made to be broken these days. 10 QBs come close to breaking records every season. Luck was the most pro-ready QB to come out of a draft in awhile... But I don't really see how he's gotten better. Yes, his stats increased, as they should. His team did well, as it should (they were great before the one tanking season). Now 4 years in, the team around him is probably worse NOW than it was THEN. Hence, his regression this past season, coupled with an injury.

He hasn't done any more in his 3 seasons than any other QB, by comparison to timeframe and era. In 2 or 3 years we'll be talking about Winston topping those 3 year numbers. Ebb and flow of the NFL and the want for more offense.

I'd argue no one had a more depleted roster than the Jaguars during Bortles' rookie campaign.

 

oh... and yeah... they didn't "Tank" but they tanked.

Anytime you trot out Curtis Painter, despite being really bad, you're tanking.

 

BTW... who all lost their jobs? I'm betting many, or most, are still working within the NFL in some office or coaching tree somewhere?

 

 

I'm not here to hate at all either. If you were to build a team TODAY, I even said Luck should get the nod. But you seemed perturbed by the notion that Luck isn't the chosen one. He was lauded as can't miss. And in year 4, he was missing all over the place.

 

Give me a break lol.

 

Bortles in year 3 will be better than Luck in year 5.

 

Bank on it.

 

 

someone link that awesome thread someone made with a lot of work put in comparing Luck vs Bortles.

Man it was a good read

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