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MalabarJag · 06-23-2016, 11:40 AM

Quote:If we didn't have the extra picks to play with from that trade and the Mike Thomas deal, we wouldn't have had the ammo to move up to get Robinson and Linder.

Could we have possibly traded 144 to move up for Robinson? Sure, but then we wouldn't have Telvin Smith, who according to players, is among the top 100 players in the league.

Could we have traded pick 205 for Linder? Doubtful. We traded 105 and 179 to move up into the 3rd to get Linder. 205 would have cost NE (?) an extra 25 picks in value in the 6th round.

Had we not made that deal, here's how that great 2014 draft probably would have looked.

1-Bortles

2a-Lee

2b-Robinson

4-Colvin

6-Luke Bowanko

7. Storm Johnson

This reflects the trade for Robinson where we gave up 70 and 105 to move back into the 2nd round to get Robinson. This again assumes the Jaguars have the same freedom to move up absent the extra 4 and 5 obtained for Monroe.

Had the Jaguars been less inclined to move up for Robinson without the extra picks to play with...

1. Bortles

2. Lee

3. Linder

4. Colvin

5. ???- Maybe Telvin Smith if he would have been on the board at 150 instead of 144 when he was taken.

Either way, keeping Monroe likely costs us at least one, maybe 2 key players from that great 2014 draft class. Smith and Robinson were ranked in the NFL's top 100. Not only that, but as of this year, we'd still have a hole at LT, a bigger contract, and minus 1-2 other key contributors.

But hey, maybe we don't need Robinson or Linder or Telvin Smith.

Lots of maybes there. I can come up with another. Maybe the Jags trade the #2 pick in the 2013 draft for the 12th and 42nd picks (what Oakland got for pick 3), draft Richardson or Lotulelei, and trade the 42nd pick for a 2014 2nd round pick which they use on Robinson (or a 1st which they use on Beckham). With no trade up needed in round 2 they still have the round 3 pick to get Linder and the round 4 pick for Colvin.

And hindsight is 20/20. If the Pats had acquired the 6th round pick that they used to draft Brady by trading a 1st for it, would you laud such a trade just because the Pats got lucky with the 6th round pick?

With Monroe at LT Caldwell (who claimed to be a needs drafter!) shouldn't have drafted Joeckel. Since he did take Joeckel, Caldwell also should have shopped Monroe rather than taking the first offer he got from the Ravens. A starting LT who was very good in 2012 (admittedly struggled early in 2013, but under a zone blocking scheme that was new to him) was worth more than a 4th and 5th.

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