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Game of thrones (spoilers obviously)


Quote:This was a great way to cap honestly it's best season yet. Opening it up with the Godfather like music theme going on with the trial leading up to a big bang was well done. I almost wish they would have flipped the episode around and done the opposite. Daenerys gaining the aide of the Martell's (Or, Sands really) and the Tyrell's just in sheer numbers alone gives her the ridiculous upside over Cersei and King's Landing. Plus she has some support from the Greyjoy's. I don't think it's going to be much of a contest next year when she lands in Westeros.

 

Seeing Jon declared as the White Wolf and King in the North was a nice finish on the rollercoaster ride he's been through. Him and Daenerys are basically the same exact person when you think about their up bringing, their heartaches, their trials and errors and now their rise to power, not based on fear, but mostly out of respect just based on their human nature. The fact that they both show tremendous signs of doing what's right, doing what's needed that goes above their own ambitions and what's best for their people speaks volumes. If their is going to be a wedding. It has to be between these two. Which leads me to....

 

Jon's parentage. This is where it gets really, really interesting. Now I know most fans want to buy into the idea that Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark are the parents of Jon Snow. And I know they did the cute little camera switch from the perceived baby Jon to grown Jon. BUT, I am not quite convinced yet. I don't think GRRM will make it too easy for the fanbase. People keep saying it's a forgone conclusion and I don't buy it yet. For starters, when GRRM was approached by D&D about creating the show for HBO, he only asked D&D who they thought Jon's Mother was. He didn't ask them about who they thought his father was. And in the episode. Once again, they tease you. She doesn't outright say who the father is. And they leave you with Bran's face of surprise or shock when he clearly heard what she whispered to him.

 

In the books. There are a lot of misleading bits and pieces that could make you wonder constantly about Jon's father. Could it be Rhaegar? Maybe. Could it be Robert Baratheon? Also a major maybe. Everyone is quick to shoot down the idea of Robert being Jon's father because Lyanna makes Ned promise to protect Jon and she said that Robert would kill him. And the argument is that if he's a Baratheon then why wouldn't Ned just reveal that to him? Well, the truth isn't always that simple. Robert is a stubborn, headstrong and brash man. Do you think a straight forward man coming off of his rebellion and losing the woman he loved due to an alleged kidnapping and sexual assault from his enemy would believe a baby could be his? I doubt it. Robert was a womanizer. A renowned womanizer. Who had many, many children outside of wedlock throughout Westeros. He had so many that Cersei and Joffrey had to exterminate as many as they could find.

 

As Jon Aryn coined prior to his death. "The seed is strong". Robert doesn't miss the mark in the bedroom. It's a good chance that even if he slept with Lyanna just once or twice that he may have gotten her pregnant just before total chaos and the War kicked off. He was deeply in love with that woman. And that kind of brings me back to the Jon and Robert thing. In the books and show have you noticed that Jon and Robert never meet directly or face to face? Ned keeps him as far away as possible during their first meeting at Winterfell fourteen years after the War. He doesn't personally meet the boy. He doesn't see him. He doesn't eye him. Now, if you flash forward a bit to book five. Cersei is getting lost in her thoughts, and she strictly and vividly recalls seeing a young Jon Snow at Winterfell with striking and similar features facially on Jon that resembled Robert.

 

I am not so sold yet on Rhaegar. I think it's possible Robert is Jon's father. They never mentioned anything about Jon in terms of Targaryen like features. He's always said to look like Arya and Arya looks like Ned and his sister Lyanna. That was a dead give away. Also, I know the story isn't shy about incest. But come on. How brutally disgusting would it end up being if Jon was Daenery's Nephew and they married? So wrong. If it were a Baratheon and Targaryen union. It would make more sense. It would be fixing and making amends of the very two families that started the last War.

 

Then there is the whole baby swap theory. And the Lemon trees and Red Door that Daenerys' saw as a child. But that's for another time.


Interesting theory. It does seem like we're settling into a somewhat more predictable story line and that just isn't very Game of Thrones like when you think about it. You might be on to something. The fact that it wasn't specifically revealed who his father is even in the face of the long running and popular theory of him being Targaryen is interesting. If he is Targaryen, why not just get it over with and say it already? Why drag out the reveal of what the vast majority of viewers already believe to be true?
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