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Game of thrones (spoilers obviously)


Quote:You really think that would have prevented Robert from sleeping with Lyanna prior to marriage? Come on now. You think Robert fell in love with just her beauty? There is more history between those two than what's been let on in the story. Neddard and Robert were friends before they were eighteen. He was around before they were fostered off to Jon Aryn. Robert slept with Cersei on their wedding night and afterwards whispered "Lyanna" in her ear. That doesn't sound like that came from a man whose never been with a woman previously. Robert's tendency to sleep around and womanize was well known. He must have been pretty good at honeyed words. I don't think Lyanna can be ruled out as never sleeping with Robert.

 

Regarding Jaguarmesiter's idea of why the Kings guard was posted outside the Tower. Pretty simple. Had Robert slept with Lyanna weeks or even a month prior to the kidnapping. And Rhagear ran away with her afterwards and slept with her during that alleged 10 month to 12 month time frame. Jon could STILL be Robert's with Rhaegar and Lyanna under the impression it was their child conceived out of young and foolish love after the fact. The other problem is that no clear timeline or date of birth was established for Jon Snow. And there is no clue or hints as to when that War truly began and ended. And even the story doesn't give away the exact time Rhaegar ran off with Lyanna. It just says "Sometime after the Harrenhal Tournament".

 

I think the clues leading and pointing to Rhaegar were put in place to throw off the readers. And I think it's just too easy to buy into that theory so suddenly and so easily. It still doesn't account for the fact that there is no mentioning of Jon ever having Targaryen features. And in fact, it only comes up when Cersei states she saw facial resemblances between Jon and Robert back in Winterfell. Other than that connection. Jon is said to take after Neddard and Neddard took after Lyanna. Those are the only other connections made.

 

I still think if they were trying to solidify this theory. It would have been done in the finale. There is no more reasons or points to keep dragging out who Jon's father was other than to reveal yet another MAJOR twist. And I still circle back to  the "seed is strong" line in the books from Jon Aryn. Baratheon bloodline has a long history of dark hair, dark eyes and dark features. All of which Jon has in the book. I expect another a flashback with Bran next season. But it could go either way. If it's Rhaegar, cool. If it's Robert, cool. I am just saying, it's a little simple yet misleading at the same time. Even Martin warns about the idea of "prophecies" in his own interviews. Sometimes you look into it too literally and it bites you in the end. They're very tricky to decipher. Just look at how bad Melisandre failed Stannis Baratheon with her visions.
I mean sure, in the books it could go either way. I'm on board with their being two babies, Jon and Mira.

 

For the show, I linked you to HBO saying it's Raeghar. Now if you wanna discuss them not doing a good job of explaining it in the show that's one thing but they have straight up said its Raeghar.

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Game of thrones (spoilers obviously) - by EricC85 - 04-24-2016, 10:59 PM
Game of thrones (spoilers obviously) - by jaglyn - 04-25-2016, 12:06 AM
Game of thrones (spoilers obviously) - by NacD - 04-25-2016, 12:22 AM
Game of thrones (spoilers obviously) - by EricC85 - 04-25-2016, 07:15 AM
Game of thrones (spoilers obviously) - by Monty - 04-25-2016, 09:53 AM
Game of thrones (spoilers obviously) - by jaglyn - 04-25-2016, 12:46 PM
Game of thrones (spoilers obviously) - by Geen - 04-25-2016, 04:46 PM
Game of thrones (spoilers obviously) - by Geen - 04-26-2016, 06:38 PM
Game of thrones (spoilers obviously) - by Geen - 04-26-2016, 08:28 PM
Game of thrones (spoilers obviously) - by Geen - 04-26-2016, 10:21 PM
Game of thrones (spoilers obviously) - by Caldrac - 04-27-2016, 06:20 AM
Game of thrones (spoilers obviously) - by Geen - 04-27-2016, 06:23 AM
Game of thrones (spoilers obviously) - by jaglyn - 04-27-2016, 08:07 AM
Game of thrones (spoilers obviously) - by Geen - 04-27-2016, 02:48 PM
Game of thrones (spoilers obviously) - by Geen - 05-01-2016, 10:14 PM
Game of thrones (spoilers obviously) - by Caldrac - 05-02-2016, 06:01 AM
Game of thrones (spoilers obviously) - by NacD - 05-02-2016, 12:25 PM
Game of thrones (spoilers obviously) - by jaglyn - 05-02-2016, 06:09 PM
Game of thrones (spoilers obviously) - by NacD - 05-02-2016, 07:06 PM
Game of thrones (spoilers obviously) - by Caldrac - 05-02-2016, 10:01 PM
Game of thrones (spoilers obviously) - by Caldrac - 05-03-2016, 12:45 PM
Game of thrones (spoilers obviously) - by Caldrac - 05-03-2016, 07:42 PM
Game of thrones (spoilers obviously) - by copycat - 05-03-2016, 07:47 PM
Game of thrones (spoilers obviously) - by copycat - 05-04-2016, 05:17 PM
Game of thrones (spoilers obviously) - by copycat - 05-05-2016, 12:17 PM
Game of thrones (spoilers obviously) - by copycat - 05-06-2016, 03:50 PM
Game of thrones (spoilers obviously) - by Geen - 05-06-2016, 06:09 PM
Game of thrones (spoilers obviously) - by Caldrac - 05-08-2016, 10:01 PM
Game of thrones (spoilers obviously) - by NacD - 05-09-2016, 02:50 PM
Game of thrones (spoilers obviously) - by Geen - 05-09-2016, 06:09 PM
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Game of thrones (spoilers obviously) - by Geen - 05-09-2016, 07:13 PM
Game of thrones (spoilers obviously) - by Geen - 05-09-2016, 07:18 PM
Game of thrones (spoilers obviously) - by EricC85 - 05-09-2016, 09:07 PM
Game of thrones (spoilers obviously) - by Caldrac - 05-10-2016, 06:01 AM
Game of thrones (spoilers obviously) - by carlo - 05-10-2016, 10:23 AM
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Game of thrones (spoilers obviously) - by Geen - 05-10-2016, 04:57 PM
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Game of thrones (spoilers obviously) - by EricC85 - 05-11-2016, 02:42 PM
Game of thrones (spoilers obviously) - by EricC85 - 05-11-2016, 04:23 PM
Game of thrones (spoilers obviously) - by Geen - 05-12-2016, 08:10 AM
Game of thrones (spoilers obviously) - by Caldrac - 05-12-2016, 01:47 PM
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Game of thrones (spoilers obviously) - by Caldrac - 05-13-2016, 02:49 PM
Game of thrones (spoilers obviously) - by NacD - 05-14-2016, 12:02 PM
Game of thrones (spoilers obviously) - by copycat - 05-15-2016, 07:30 PM
Game of thrones (spoilers obviously) - by NacD - 05-15-2016, 11:52 PM
Game of thrones (spoilers obviously) - by jaglyn - 05-16-2016, 11:04 AM
Game of thrones (spoilers obviously) - by Caldrac - 05-16-2016, 02:28 PM
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Game of thrones (spoilers obviously) - by Geen - 05-17-2016, 01:01 AM
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Game of thrones (spoilers obviously) - by Monty - 05-20-2016, 09:51 AM
Game of thrones (spoilers obviously) - by empty - 05-21-2016, 04:18 PM
Game of thrones (spoilers obviously) - by empty - 05-21-2016, 09:27 PM
Game of thrones (spoilers obviously) - by Geen - 05-22-2016, 11:07 PM
Game of thrones (spoilers obviously) - by Geen - 05-22-2016, 11:17 PM
Game of thrones (spoilers obviously) - by NacD - 05-23-2016, 12:22 AM
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Game of thrones (spoilers obviously) - by Caldrac - 06-22-2016, 01:08 PM
Game of thrones (spoilers obviously) - by Geen - 06-23-2016, 07:02 AM
Game of thrones (spoilers obviously) - by empty - 06-23-2016, 09:52 PM
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