Quote:You really think that would have prevented Robert from sleeping with Lyanna prior to marriage? Come on now. You think Robert fell in love with just her beauty? There is more history between those two than what's been let on in the story. Neddard and Robert were friends before they were eighteen. He was around before they were fostered off to Jon Aryn. Robert slept with Cersei on their wedding night and afterwards whispered "Lyanna" in her ear. That doesn't sound like that came from a man whose never been with a woman previously. Robert's tendency to sleep around and womanize was well known. He must have been pretty good at honeyed words. I don't think Lyanna can be ruled out as never sleeping with Robert.

 

Regarding Jaguarmesiter's idea of why the Kings guard was posted outside the Tower. Pretty simple. Had Robert slept with Lyanna weeks or even a month prior to the kidnapping. And Rhagear ran away with her afterwards and slept with her during that alleged 10 month to 12 month time frame. Jon could STILL be Robert's with Rhaegar and Lyanna under the impression it was their child conceived out of young and foolish love after the fact. The other problem is that no clear timeline or date of birth was established for Jon Snow. And there is no clue or hints as to when that War truly began and ended. And even the story doesn't give away the exact time Rhaegar ran off with Lyanna. It just says "Sometime after the Harrenhal Tournament".

 

I think the clues leading and pointing to Rhaegar were put in place to throw off the readers. And I think it's just too easy to buy into that theory so suddenly and so easily. It still doesn't account for the fact that there is no mentioning of Jon ever having Targaryen features. And in fact, it only comes up when Cersei states she saw facial resemblances between Jon and Robert back in Winterfell. Other than that connection. Jon is said to take after Neddard and Neddard took after Lyanna. Those are the only other connections made.

 

I still think if they were trying to solidify this theory. It would have been done in the finale. There is no more reasons or points to keep dragging out who Jon's father was other than to reveal yet another MAJOR twist. And I still circle back to  the "seed is strong" line in the books from Jon Aryn. Baratheon bloodline has a long history of dark hair, dark eyes and dark features. All of which Jon has in the book. I expect another a flashback with Bran next season. But it could go either way. If it's Rhaegar, cool. If it's Robert, cool. I am just saying, it's a little simple yet misleading at the same time. Even Martin warns about the idea of "prophecies" in his own interviews. Sometimes you look into it too literally and it bites you in the end. They're very tricky to decipher. Just look at how bad Melisandre failed Stannis Baratheon with her visions.

I see what you are saying and it is definitely possible Robert got Lyanna pregnant I just don't see the Starks keeping such a loose eye on a known womanizer.


One thing is Jon has Brown hair that appears Black.  Where as all of the Baratheons and Baratheons bastards have purely Black hair.  The other thing is the Baratheons and Baratheon bastards are known to be very strong for their age where Jon is more graceful and quick.


Robert Baratheon is known for his charm, outgoing and gregarious personality and remarkable ability to turn enemies into friends. Robert's lusts became the subject of ribald drinking songs throughout the realm. According to Ned, Robert would promise a woman the world in the night and forget everything, including her, in the morning.   

 

Jon Snow isn't really known for his charm or being outgoing.  He also has mixed results with turning enemies to friends.

 

Now with Rhaegar Jon shares an intelligence when it comes to doing things he puts his mind to.  Jon is also very private and quiet who doesn't waste words.


The timeline in Roberts rebellion is somewhat unclear we do know it starts with Lyannas abduction and basically ends with her death.  In the middle of that you have many battles one in particular gives a clue away

 
After the Battle of Ashford, Mace Tyrell marched on Storm's End, and laid siege to the castle. This siege would last "close to a year".

 
if the war starts with the abduction of Lyanna and ends with her dying in pregnancy and one part of the war lasted almost a year we can pretty much rule out that Robert got her pregnant


Anyway if you can pick this apart some and further this debate on I would love to.  This is probably my favorite thing about the series  (couple book notes below)


I do like the implication that wether Jon is part Baratheon or Targaryen its interesting that Stark has genetic dominance over each.

Quote:adding to that Even at age fourteen, Jon is said to have more Stark-like features than any of his half-brothers. Jon has a lean build, with dark brown hair and grey eyes so dark they border on black. He is graceful and quick. Tyrion Lannister notes that Jon has the traditional Stark face in everything but name—long, solemn and guarded—a face that gives nothing away. 

Quote:Rhaegar was tall and beautiful, with dark indigo eyes and the silver hair of the Targaryens, worn long. Rhaegar was exceedingly intelligent and excelled at anything he put his mind to. He was considered to be a talented musician and skilled knight. While well-loved by the people, Rhaegar was said to be quiet, private and bookish

Ser Jaime Lannister still remembers the iron tones of Rhaegar’s voice 

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