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Big Win for Women, Bad Day for Texas

(This post was last modified: 07-02-2016, 12:31 PM by jj82284.)

Quote:It's been a while since my biology classes, so thanks for the correction. I was thinking of mitosis strictly in a non child development way. But you're right once the cell is fertilized, the egg and sperm chromosomes begin to line up and then cell division in the form of mitosis begins. I think you are correct about the meosis definition.


Either way, I understand your point. What I think you are missing the point on, as far as I understand it from the research I did, is that most pills have two types of hormones in them. I believe they are progesterone and estrogen. Either way, as you mention, they do two distinct things, as you agree. Stop ovulation and harden/thicken the uterine wall.


But here's the key point, the pill does not stop ovulation entirely, some eggs are released no matter. That's why the second hormone is so important to the success of the pill. There are certain pills that only have one of the hormone, but, as logic would imply, it's not as successful. The point is that the development and success of the pill is in the fact that it is understood that side eggs will be released and therefore be fertilized.


Whether or not a woman understands she's making a conscious choice regarding the fact that the most popular and must effective pill results in a fertilized egg that will be flushed away, is a fact. And that fact, for a true pro life anti abortion advocate must be reconciled. In my book it's a reconciliation that leads to absurdity.


With all that said, my point is this: you, and all those that believe in the conception point of human life, are totally in the right to have that belief.


But, that's not the only belief out there when it comes to human life. And those who believe that humanity begins at some point after conception are not evil, or ruthless killers. Matter of fact, those who believe humanity begins at some point beyond conception are also right to have their beliefs.


A doctor that provides birth control pills isn't a murderer in his or her eyes.


I get your point that there's a difference between the pill and an abortion. But I find your distinction as arbitrary as my 8-10 week point where human life begins.


You are also now circling back to the value of life and how it must be protected. Pro-choice people agree. But, the distinction we have differs, and then it gets blown out of proportion and then it gets personal and then both sides dig in to their original positions.


I honestly believe there is a compromise that can be had in this situation.


Maybe we should start taking about viability as the cut off? Perhaps a compromise can be had if we remove the life aspect of it and consider the viability aspect of the zygote/embryo during pregnancy?
In progesterone only pills, mini pills, there is no estrogen. Unfortunately, progestin is the hormone that disrupts the preparation of the uterine wall to receive an egg.


Combined bcp introduce estrogen to further block ovulation but the mini pill does that too.


In other words in the world of hormonal BC there is no option to intentionally have the ovulatory cycle mitigated and the uterus prepare to receive an egg. If there was then I would recommend it.


So bcp increases the risk of miss implantation or spontaneous miscarriage, just like general anesthesia carries with it a statistical risk that the patient will not wake up. Its an unintended unavoidable side affect of the hormonal approach.


Ultimately while I can disagree with certain parts of the viability point of view (the basis for roe) I think that there could be a compromise landing area that makes more sense than the current system.


I might not be wholly satisfied but if probably sign 8 to ten weeks blindfolded.
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Big Win for Women, Bad Day for Texas - by jj82284 - 06-27-2016, 10:22 PM
Big Win for Women, Bad Day for Texas - by jj82284 - 06-27-2016, 10:23 PM
Big Win for Women, Bad Day for Texas - by EricC85 - 06-27-2016, 11:32 PM
Big Win for Women, Bad Day for Texas - by badger - 06-28-2016, 10:19 AM
Big Win for Women, Bad Day for Texas - by FBT - 06-28-2016, 10:50 AM
Big Win for Women, Bad Day for Texas - by FBT - 06-28-2016, 12:34 PM
Big Win for Women, Bad Day for Texas - by jagherd - 06-28-2016, 02:22 PM
Big Win for Women, Bad Day for Texas - by badger - 06-28-2016, 02:52 PM
Big Win for Women, Bad Day for Texas - by badger - 06-28-2016, 03:06 PM
Big Win for Women, Bad Day for Texas - by badger - 06-28-2016, 03:08 PM
Big Win for Women, Bad Day for Texas - by badger - 06-28-2016, 03:09 PM
Big Win for Women, Bad Day for Texas - by jj82284 - 06-28-2016, 03:43 PM
Big Win for Women, Bad Day for Texas - by jj82284 - 06-28-2016, 04:28 PM
Big Win for Women, Bad Day for Texas - by badger - 06-28-2016, 04:39 PM
Big Win for Women, Bad Day for Texas - by badger - 06-28-2016, 05:02 PM
Big Win for Women, Bad Day for Texas - by badger - 06-28-2016, 05:10 PM
Big Win for Women, Bad Day for Texas - by jagherd - 06-28-2016, 05:36 PM
Big Win for Women, Bad Day for Texas - by jagherd - 06-28-2016, 05:45 PM
Big Win for Women, Bad Day for Texas - by jj82284 - 06-29-2016, 07:51 AM
Big Win for Women, Bad Day for Texas - by jtmoney - 06-29-2016, 08:31 AM
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Big Win for Women, Bad Day for Texas - by FBT - 06-29-2016, 12:28 PM
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Big Win for Women, Bad Day for Texas - by FBT - 06-29-2016, 03:32 PM
Big Win for Women, Bad Day for Texas - by EricC85 - 06-29-2016, 04:11 PM
Big Win for Women, Bad Day for Texas - by Ringo - 06-29-2016, 04:32 PM
Big Win for Women, Bad Day for Texas - by badger - 06-29-2016, 04:42 PM
Big Win for Women, Bad Day for Texas - by Ringo - 06-29-2016, 04:45 PM
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Big Win for Women, Bad Day for Texas - by badger - 06-29-2016, 04:49 PM
Big Win for Women, Bad Day for Texas - by Ringo - 06-29-2016, 04:51 PM
Big Win for Women, Bad Day for Texas - by badger - 06-29-2016, 04:56 PM
Big Win for Women, Bad Day for Texas - by Ringo - 06-29-2016, 05:57 PM
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Big Win for Women, Bad Day for Texas - by FBT - 06-30-2016, 02:53 PM
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