Quote:Anchorman, Bernies's voters can by all means vote for Hillary. But she represents the establishment, big corporations, wall street, dishonesty, greed, control and power. As a Bernie supporter, voting for that type of person to get minor concessions which she isn't required to do (why would anyone trust Hillary), to me, goes against Bernies message that resonated with so many.

I would be curious to see the level the DNC went then and now in regards to Obama. You mention the odds were against Bernie. Your damn right they were and the DNC made sure of it. We will never know the impact it had on voters showing up and if things would have been different. That doesn't matter though. What matters is that the process is fair. And yes life's not fair, but isn't the whole Democrat message we need to try and make it more fair? We demand equality until we don't?

So Schultz is a rat and Schultz is Hillary's good friend and there is very compelling evidence that Hillary worked with her to undermine Bernie's campaign then what does that make Hillary? Ah and let's not forget Hillary brought the rat on board.

Also, Schultz is the scapegoat, but this was not just her doing. There were many involved. And yet, no one else seems like they have to answer to anyone. It's almost like they believe if they pretend this email thing didn't happen it'll all just go away. The American people deserve better.

Did Hillary Clinton state these things? Did she state that she is for corporate welfare? Did she say she was for greed? Did she say she was for Wall Street?


Let's be careful about framing a campaign versus the campaign's actual position and message.


I've asked you and other posters in this thread if you listened to bernies's speech.... I still haven't gotten a straight answer from any poster. It's important to at least find common ground on facts in order to have a productive debate.


I'm on a tablet device, and I refuse to do research on these things, but I agree that it would be very interesting to see how hard the dnc in 2007 and 2008 worked for Hillary. My recollection, and I remember that campaign very well is that the media and dnc were all hands on deck for Hillary. There were no wiki leaks about it, but man, it was pretty brutal. I'm not sure if you remember, but in June there was a dnc round table that was partially televised in Michigan, where the leaders of the dnc were trying to wrestle the nomination away from Obama after it was clear that he won. It was an all out coup attempt--IN JUNE!!! so yeah, from my recollection, it was just as bad, if not worse. The only difference here was that Obama actually got the votes.


I hate to keep harping on this point... But it's the basis of our democracy. The polls and the rallies are all well and good... But voter turn out wins the election. Bernies's supporters--- and let me remind everyone that I'm the ultimate in "evil liberal" on this board--- did not turn out in greater numbers than the Hillary supporters.


Every Tuesday I was letting the expletives fly as Hillary kept winning in numbers that seemed mis-aligned with the polls. But the realization came to me that the turnout failed Bernie.


The so called rigged system has existed for at least 30 years. To cry foul now is weak, in my opinion.


Again, did you hear bernies's speech? He painted the picture of the realities of the American system since Reagan. He ended with stating that the system is unjust to the working class. He made the point that while it pains him the most that he lost, that the movement must continue. The struggle is real. And while the ideal candidate was not nominated, the wise person realizes that the good should not be he enemy of the perfect.

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