Look, the military industrial complex provides that there are very few differences between our actions in the middle east between parties.


With that said, I think if Gore president instead of Bush, we'd not have ever entered Iraq and thus Isis would never have grown to what is.


That's the first thing. Bush expanded Isis by creating the original vacuum of removing the very powerful dictator. Without that piece, Isis would have been a nothing burger.


2nd, I do not see the connection you keep making between the Arabic spring and Isis in Iraq and Syria. If you can explain your logic there without being a condescending snob about it, please do. If you can't, forget I asked.



As for the sofa... you down play this, but Obama his first term by being the anti Iraq candidate. The nation overwhelmingly voted him into power because he ran on getting out of Iraq.


You can have the position that it's ask Obama's fault. But I disagree. I think based on the entire exhaustion of the nation, and that Isis created its foothold in Iraq because of the original sin of the invasion we were lied into, what we have now was pretty much inevitable.

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