Quote:Look, the military industrial complex provides that there are very few differences between our actions in the middle east between parties.


With that said, I think if Gore president instead of Bush, we'd not have ever entered Iraq and thus Isis would never have grown to what is.


That's the first thing. Bush expanded Isis by creating the original vacuum of removing the very powerful dictator. Without that piece, Isis would have been a nothing burger.


2nd, I do not see the connection you keep making between the Arabic spring and Isis in Iraq and Syria. If you can explain your logic there without being a condescending snob about it, please do. If you can't, forget I asked.



As for the sofa... you down play this, but Obama his first term by being the anti Iraq candidate. The nation overwhelmingly voted him into power because he ran on getting out of Iraq.


You can have the position that it's ask Obama's fault. But I disagree. I think based on the entire exhaustion of the nation, and that Isis created its foothold in Iraq because of the original sin of the invasion we were lied into, what we have now was pretty much inevitable.

 

Gore would have been a disaster of a president, and thank God Florida prevented that joke from happening.

 

History disagrees with you.  ISIS formed in 1999, so it's irrelevant what Bush did years later.  The group already existed.  Nobody even knew who they were until after Obama exited a STABLE Iraq, creating a vacuum there that ISIS happily filled. 

 

I'm not connecting ISIS to the Arab Spring.  I'm pointing out that the Arab Spring created the proper environment for an ISIS to thrive in, and your beloved ruler and his secretary of state were all in for the Arab Spring. 

 

Just because someone taps into a frustration about something like the Iraq war, and promises to get the country out of the war, that doesn't make him right.  The fact that he spouted all of that rhetoric while the Bush administration was already negotiating an exit from Iraq is pretty funny.  It allowed him to take credit for the work done before he conned a nation into thinking he was "the one!"

 

If tapping into an undercurrent of anger over an issue is the right political strategy to get elected to the highest office in the land in your estimation, I suspect you will be voting for Trump then?

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