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Many donors to Clinton Foundation met with her at State

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(This post was last modified: 08-26-2016, 07:32 AM by The Real Marty.)

Quote:I'm curious, Marty...  What's your definition of a crook.  The reason I ask is that I would never vote for a criminal, especially one that I would think is a treasonous criminal that is gonna sell me and my nation out.

 

Obviously, by the strict standard of innocent until proven guilty, Hillary is not a criminal.  And I think are trying to line up your beliefs with the facts and that is why you are using the term "crook" as opposed to "criminal".  And I think that's the correct approach.

 

To me, I think the term "crook" is describing a political animal that has become a corrupted by the game that creates corruption no matter your political affiliation.  I think it's clear that no matter what side of the aisle you are on, you the system as it is now set up creates corruption.  If you want to be a successful politician in D.C., you have to play the game.  And the Clinton's are the best at the game.  And therefore have the most dirt on thier jerseys, so to speak.

 

I agree, with the premise you bring up.  It's a choice between a lifetime politician that won't completely sink the ship but is probably going to maintain the status quo, with the help of a republican congress there will be gridlock and things pretty much stay as is.  Or we can elect a mad man that has no real policies, flip flops from day to day on everything, and has incited the worst in a lot of his supporters.

 

Thoughts?
 

I'm not talking about garden-variety political corruption where a politician changes their position in return for a campaign contribution.   What I am talking about is the way Bill and Hillary set out to enrich themselves personally.   I cannot see why anyone would pay $500,000 to someone to make a single speech.   Apparently Bill and Hillary have gone from "broke" (in her words) when Bill left the White House to a net worth of $100 million.   Contrast that with Jimmy Carter who spend his post White House years trying to make the world a better place and not trying to enrich himself in the process.   Or better yet, Harry Truman, who just went home to Missouri and could be found in the local diner having a cup of coffee.  Or George W Bush, who just went home to Texas and painted pictures.  Bill Clinton toured with world with his hand out while his wife was Secretary of State. 

 

I don't think they would sell out the country.   I just think they crave money and power, especially money. 

 

But like I said, when the alternative is Trump, I don't feel like I have any choice.   I have to vote for a crook, because I feel like Trump would be far, far worse for the country. 

 

2020 cannot come soon enough.  Whoever gets elected will be a one-term President.   IF they get that far without being impeached.  I put a 30% chance that whoever gets elected will get impeached.  


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Many donors to Clinton Foundation met with her at State - by The Real Marty - 08-26-2016, 07:29 AM



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