Quote:Your response to #1 confuses me. What will changing the mindset of the fans accomplish? If you don't want the team to change their approach in winning as many games as possible, but you want the fanbase to embrace the idea that it is better to lose in order to win. Those two things do not work together. It seems to me that all that is going to happen is the fanbase will become frustrated with the approach of the team.

 

You are hung up on value. I'm saying that the value of the picks is insignificant when compared to what the team does with them. If Caldwell is a below average GM, then regardless of where he picks the team will suffer. Matt Millen was a below average GM and he had something along the lines of five consecutive top five selections from 2002 to 2006. Despite that high value, Detroit did not experience a whole lot of success.

 

It accomplishes as much as anything that gets done on this board does.

 

I am hung up on value. I won't stop being a fan if the Jaguars go 7-9 and end up with the 15th pick when we could have had the first pick, I'll just be disappointed if guys we miss out on turn out to be real difference makers and the guy we end up drafting doesn't.

 

Also I don't buy into culture, not that you've been referencing it, it's just a digression from our discussion.

 

The Jaguars had a losing culture until they suddenly didn't, now they suddenly have a competitive winning culture, until they start losing, then they suddenly will have a losing culture again.

 

The culture can be established at any time, and it won't necessarily carry over between any two seasons.

 

What happened to the Falcons' winning culture?

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