Quote:Everything can be beat so why even try, right? Cameras can be beat. Sensors can be beat. Walls/fences can be beat. Drags can be beat. X's can be beat. Roving patrol can be beat. Radar surveillance trucks can be beat. Checkpoints can be beat. Ports of Entry can be beat.


The soil near the border varies. It's not easy to dig tunnels in soft sand or rock. San Diego is a lot easier than Yuma.


We have evidence that a wall is effective. It's called our current border fence. Or Israel's fence. Or the fence between the Koreas. Even the Great Wall of China was effective for its original purpose. The point being is that a wall or fence is just a tool. A jet fighter isn't an effective tool of war if you don't have anyone who can pilot it. A wall requires boots on the ground in conjunction with it. To say, yeah, but they can dig under it is an oversimplistic way to try to defeat an argument for its effectiveness. You can also fly over it and torch through it. Like I stated earlier, look at Yuma, Arizona as evidence for its efficacy. Yuma, Arizona was overrun and the busiest sector in the United States Border Patrol. Yuma saw daily bonzai runs where hundreds of illegals would run past 2 or 3 waiting agents who could do nothing except pick up the people who hurt themselves and granny with her walker. The fence went up and instantly Yuma goes from a quarter of a million apprehensions to completely shut down. It takes more than just a wall or a fence, but to doubt that its a very useful tool is to have your head buried in the sand.

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If a fence is so effective, why not build one of those instead of a wall? It's certainly cheaper. It's difficult to draw comparisons to Israel and Korea when talking about our southern border. N. Korea has their own troops protecting against its citizens escaping to the south. Mexico ain't doing that. And if you've ever seen a map of Palestinian and Israeli owned territories you'd see they are truly up each other's rear ends. And there has been plenty of bloodshed on Israeli soil despite the walls and checkpoints. We are fortunate that our problems are not theirs. The Great Wall was built to keep out invaders on horseback (or dragons if Matt Damon is to be believed) hundreds of years ago. But to literally waste billions on a wall (where you indicate a fence is effective) is silly to me. I used to work for a company that tracked government spending and I assure you we have enough waste.

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