Quote:Nope nope nope, forget the why and look at the how. The policy of stop and frisk has nothing to do with probable cause. There has always been a precedent that an officer can search under probable cause the stop and frisk took it to another level with suspension.


In places like New York and Chicago no one is allowed to carry a gun, so stop frisk and confiscate is just another gun grab. It doesn't work you keep saying 80% reduction but stats are so eaisly manipulated. I believe in consistency the solution isn't more government checkpoints, the solution is to remove the walking target off innocents backs and take down the gangs. Which is a whole different issue caused by more government programs like the war on drugs.

 

The criteria set forth through the 4th amendment is reasonable searches and seizures, with stop and frisk you have to have a reasonable suspicion. 

 

You can say what you want, its not synonymous with anti-gun laws.  If you are in a state that allows open carry or conceal carry you should have your permit anyway. 

 

As for manipulating statistics, when you go from 2500 murders a year, to 500 murders a year you can't simply bury your head in the sand and say that someone was COOKING THE BOOKS. 

 

If a police officer, through their experience and training can identify a potential threat through reasonable suspicion then they should be able to engage that individual for basic questioning and a general pat down. 

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