Quote:The criteria set forth through the 4th amendment is reasonable searches and seizures, with stop and frisk you have to have a reasonable suspicion. 

 

You can say what you want, its not synonymous with anti-gun laws.  If you are in a state that allows open carry or conceal carry you should have your permit anyway. 

 

As for manipulating statistics, when you go from 2500 murders a year, to 500 murders a year you can't simply bury your head in the sand and say that someone was COOKING THE BOOKS. 

 

If a police officer, through their experience and training can identify a potential threat through reasonable suspicion then they should be able to engage that individual for basic questioning and a general pat down. 

 

open carry doesn't require a permit, that's the point of open carry. Face it the states enforcing stop and frisk tactics don't have legal ownership of guns, so yes it is directly synonymous with anti-gun laws. It's a belief that instead of the individual being responsible and able to defend themselves the state should stop and frisk everyone they come in contact with to prevent possible crime. Yes murder statistics are also manipulated easily, I don't have the time nor do I care to look into New York's specific murder statistics before and after. 

 

this is always my problem with conservatives, control the state, less government, until I want more of it. 

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