Quote:Here's my two cents, for what it's worth (which I realize is next to nothing). I think that many of the posters here defending Trump actually do know, deep down, that this is entirely unacceptable behavior from a Presidential candidate, but they are way too far along in this whole ugly election argument to be able to admit it now.

 

To further what Rollerjag has been saying, there is a huge difference between 'locker room banter' or 'guy talk' (whatever you want to call it), and what Trump said. If he had simply said 'wow look at her, she has great legs, I'd love to xxxx her', then yes, you could pass this off as 'guy talk'... something that almost all of us have said at some point in our lives. Something like that, whilst not exactly what you would want to hear from a potential president, would have been easily brushed aside. Personally, I wouldn't have cared about it at all. But that is very different to what he actually said. He said that he can use his position of power to sexually molest women. That can't be denied. You can't say he was just joking, he is clearly bragging about something he does, and the numerous reports that have emerged over the last few days confirm that behavior. That is not 'guy talk'. That is 'rape talk'.

 

I have a question for anyone who considers Trump's remarks to be 'no big deal'. Imagine you have a son. That son is the captain of his High School football team and extremely popular. One day he comes home and says to you 'Dad, it's great being captain. I grab girls by the xxxxxxxx and they let me do it because I'm so popular'. How would you deal with that situation?

 

 

Quote:Trump said he can use his power as a celebrity to sexually molest women, "grab them by the hooha," then several women come forward to confirm this, and he says they are lying.  

 

So we have his statement that says he can do this, and their statement that says he does this, and there's no contradiction there. 

 

1.) I have said, and will continue to say that when he said on the tape had nothing to do with sexual assault.  He was talking about the action that he gets as a celeb/rich guy.  That's not a revelation, that's not even all that contraversial when you think about it.  If JFK worked at a hot dog stand I'm not sure Marilyn Monroe would have been all that interested to tell you the truth. 

 

2.) The NARRATIVE that emerges is the thing that gives me the most pause believing this whole thing.  Magically, a tape comes out on friday that leads to a question on sunday that leads to the fairies in the wind spiriting in 6 women to say oh well this happened or that happened who knows.  When Donald Trump was on top of the world with the Apprentice, nothing, when he was speaking at C-Pac, nothing, when he launched his campaign, nothing when he launched into Meghan Kelly nope, nothing, when the court documents about his ex-wife came out...  nope nothing.  When he was in the Twitter war with Megyn Kelly, nope not a thing.  But somehow magically when They looked into Anderson coopers deep blue eyes they magically remembered all these fanciful "innapropriate touches" that magically require no evidence, no torn clothing, no physical evidence of any kind.   And not in the form of a suit that would require reciporical discovery.  Give me a break. 

 

 

3.) In most cases were ALLEGING "well maybe he kissed me and I said no and then he stopped but it hurt my feelings..."  If two adults are together and one makes a romantic advance, male or female, and then other person pushes away or says "hey, i'm not interested" and the other person says, okay fine I misread the chemistry/vibe or whatever I don't look at that as a crime, I don't look at that as PREDATORY, that's the nature of romantic interaction.  I have never read a romance novel where the day before the first date the guy sends a form letter asking for the appropriate time for a first kiss.  That's not an indictment on the fundamental right every woman has to sovereignty over her body.  I believe in that and I would fight to defend it.  What i'm saying is let's use just a little bit of common sense. 

 

4.) The stories themselves are bogus.  We have one allegation that for 15 minutes in a crowded airplane one woman was ATTACKED which she didn't mind until he put his hand on her thigh?  15 minutes?  Not in a latrine, not in a private area, out in the open.  No flight attendant or passenger notices or says anything, you don't say anything to them and we are supposed to believe this?  Another woman says someone walked in on DT doing this or that.  We find that person and they call her a liar.  She says that Melania was upstairs, she calls her a liar.  But we are supposed to believe this 26 days before an election? 

 

 

They did the same thing to Herman.  For about two weeks you had 4 women claiming that he was satan on earth all of a sudden, a scourge to women across the world.  We should take him out back and hang him for crying out loud...  Then, he drops out of the race.  NOTHING!!!  no lawsuits, no prosecution, no nothing.  They did something similar to Clearance Thomas.  They wanted to spend an entire primary debate about Newt Gingrich asking for an OPEN MARRIAGE.  They interrogated McCain about his affairs. 

 

But when it comes to Democrats like Bill Clinton or Elliot Spitzer or Anthony Weiner, we get the narrative: "Well what you have to understand, is that from an evolutionary standpoint _____________ is a leader, who takes risks to achieve goals and go after what he wants.  ___________  Just has to manage that to accomplish the work of the people. 

 

 

5.) To all the people who are clamoring "If we had only nominated John Kasich."  These are the same people who were clamoring for "If we just nominate someone who's not a religious nut"  If you find a candidate who never touched any woman but their wife until the day they were married they will be labelled an old fuddy duddy good time rock and roll bible thumper who's anti sex that wants to take your birth control from you and overturn roe V. Wade so you can be forced to work in a baby factory for the rest of your life at a minimum wage below $15 an hour.   There will never be a time, when the Mainstream media declares a republican candidate fit to serve and worthy of the presidency AT THE TIME THEY ARE ACTUALLY RUNNING AGAINST A DEMOCRAT!  John McCain gets high praise from the media for opposing his party.  What a true war hero.  When he was on the ticket against Obama they accused him of the same things they accuse Trump of they just did it in a different way "Well McCain can't Control all the racist redneck reprobates that you see at Republican Rallies.  He can't stop people from calling Obama names etc. etc. etc."  Mitt Romney is being seen as a voice of reason, when his name was on the ticket they called him sexist for having a notebook of qualified women to higher...   THINK ABOUT THAT!!!

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